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[PrepNation]

What a difference a week makes. Attrition was the word of the weekend just past as a whopping seven teams ranked in the National Prep Poll Top 25 were beaten in postseason play and another 11 regionally ranked teams were knocked off.
That means 22 of the 70 nationally and regionally ranked teams in this week's Prep Poll were not in the mix last week. Making the highest debut was No. 12 Lowndes (Valdosta, Ga.), which blanked then-No. 7 Camden County (Kingsland) in the Class AAAAA state semifinals. But the Vikings will need to fend off Parkview (Lilburn), winner of three state titles this decade, in the state championship to retain that ranking.

Others new to the Top 25 this week include No. 18 South Panola (Batesville, Miss.), No. 19 Christian Brothers (Syracuse, N.Y.), No. 20 Muskegon (Mich.), No. 22 Union (Tulsa, Okla.), No. 23 Neshaminy (Langhorne, Pa.) and No. 24 Raymore-Peculiar (Peculiar, Mo.). Whew!

Week 16 National Prep Poll

[nptb]

I doubt there are 25 teams in the nation better than Warren Central Indianapolis. Especially not a team from Iowa or Missouri.

[oldkatyplayer]

finally katy gets back in regional rankings.

go tigers!

[MississippiFootballFan]

South Panola breaks through ...They have not missed a beat after losing their best player in TB Marcus Griffin to eligibilty restraints. They will be going for their 30 straight win this Friday and have won 43 of their last 44.

[Lancer1997]

What a difference a week makes. Attrition was the word of the weekend just past as a whopping seven teams ranked in the National Prep Poll Top 25 were beaten in postseason play and another 11 regionally ranked teams were knocked off.
That means 22 of the 70 nationally and regionally ranked teams in this week's Prep Poll were not in the mix last week. Making the highest debut was No. 12 Lowndes (Valdosta, Ga.), which blanked then-No. 7 Camden County (Kingsland) in the Class AAAAA state semifinals. But the Vikings will need to fend off Parkview (Lilburn), winner of three state titles this decade, in the state championship to retain that ranking.

Others new to the Top 25 this week include No. 18 South Panola (Batesville, Miss.), No. 19 Christian Brothers (Syracuse, N.Y.), No. 20 Muskegon (Mich.), No. 22 Union (Tulsa, Okla.), No. 23 Neshaminy (Langhorne, Pa.) and No. 24 Raymore-Peculiar (Peculiar, Mo.). Whew!

Week 16 National Prep Poll

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To throw in my 2 cents...

I really think the top 3 are out of order. I agree Indy should be #4, but MV is not impressive enough at #2. Likewise, SLC is not impressive enough at #1. Colerain, at #3, to me seems the clear #1. If for no other reason than that they have an excellent Offense AND Defense.

If you grade the teams out...

MV

Offense = 8.5
Defense = 8.5

SLC

Offense = 10
Defense = 6

Colerain

Offense = 9
Defense = 10


It seems to me that MV is probably the most balanced, as far as Offense equaling Defense, but they are not at a superior level of either. SLC is at a superior level of Offense, but Colerain counters with a superior defense. I surmise Colerains Offense then is greater than SLC's defense. (e.g. = Colerains offense is more likely to score than SLC is to get a stop on D).


Once again, if these are true rankings Jamie, as you claim, meaning any team can change based on merit, then I think it is pretty obvious who should be #1. When was the last time a team stormed through Ohio D1? McKinley 97? Iggy of the early 90's?

SLC has allowed 30+ points 5 times, and 20+ 6 times this season. Reminds me of the Indianapolis Colts. When SLC runs into a team that plays good D they struggle sometimes. (katy in last seasons championship is a good example). Like the Colts, their D can not compensate for a subpar offensive performance. Colerain's can. The likelihood of a team scoring more than a touchdown on Colerain is extremely low, and as such, the likelihood of SLC stopping a potent offense is similarly low.

So logic should in theory be, I believe #1 should beat #2, and #2 should beat #3 and so on...

How can we not assume that Colerain would beat SLC?

Colerain likely would hold SLC with its defense to a couple scores, while SLC's defense would get lit up. Even if Colerain doesnt break the big play, the offense is ball control, and that itself slows the SLC offense down.

So you have one team with a very good offense, and an unreal defense, dominating in the playoffs rarely giving up more than 6 points a game, against another team with an outstanding offense, but par defense, allowing 20+ points with regularity.

To me it seems quite clear. SLC seems a worthy #2, MV does not. At this stage, my order is becoming clearer each week:

#1- Colerain
#2- SLC
#3- MV (and even this is a stretch)

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Lancer:

Well put. I'm not sure that SLC's defense is as low as a 6, but the basic core of your argument is correct IMO.

SLC has proven it can score in spades and so has Colerain.

Colerain's defense has shut down all comers, and SLC's has not. SLC gave up 35 points to 3-7 Haltom and 30 last week. If Colerain had kept its 1st string defense in all game through the season, nobody would have gotten more than 6 points on them (I can back up this number with solid argument BTW).

Colerain's average game in the regular season ended 50.4 - 7.6.

SLC's ended 49-20. They gave significant points to mediocre teams on more than one occasion (Haltom 35, Grapevine 26, Colleyville Heritage 21...others?). Colerain gave up 20 points just once, and that was because they were beating the team so badly that the 2nd and 3rd string defenses were in for the better part of the 2nd half (the score was 49-0 at the half). Teams have scored double digits just 4 times versus Colerain - all due to scores against Colerain 2nd and 3rd stringers.

There is an injustice being done to the Cardinals.

[Lancer1997]

Lancer:

Well put. I'm not sure that SLC's defense is as low as a 6, but the basic core of your argument is correct IMO.

SLC has proven it can score in spades and so has Colerain.

Colerain's defense has shut down all comers, and SLC's has not. SLC gave up 35 points to 3-7 Haltom and 30 last week.  If Colerain had kept its 1st string defense in all game through the season, nobody would have gotten more than 6 points on them (I can back up this number with solid argument BTW).
There is an injustice being done to the Cardinals.

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Let me clarify then. The reason I went with a 6 for the SLC defense is based on allowing 20+ points 6 times this season, and 30+ twice. To me that sounds like a 5. Their defense is small and undersized, but thats ok so is DLS', but they lack speed burners on Defense. I gave them the benefit of the doubt with a 6, however their Defense seems average to me...at best.

[chachilib]

Just 2 Texas teams now....

[Mr. Clean]

Go ahead and throw my hat in the "Colerain for Number One" parade, for the reasons that I offered following the initial Southlake Carroll/Denton Ryan game.

By the way, West Monroe obviously has a more gaudy record, but Evangel is playing the best football in Louisiana 5A right now.

[Lancer1997]

Let me further make my case for Colerain to be #1.

The breakdown between them and SLC goes like this:

Offense:

Colerain = 645 points
SLC = 628

Seems fairly even on offense.


Now look at defense:

Colerain = 88 points allowed in 14 games
SLC = 261 points allowed in 13 games


Colerain in 1 more game has given up a whopping 173 points less than SLC!!!

SLC gives up an average of 20 points per game, compared to Colerains 6. Furthermore there is not a lot of disparity between the SLC offense and the Colerain offense. SLC averages 2 points more on offense per game.

So based on this evidence it seems that the game would be decided on defense where Colerain has a decided advantage.

How can they not be #1???

Does anyone have a reason SLC should continue to be #1 at this point?

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Lancer,
I have edited my previous post. You may want to look.

BTW. if SLC's defense is undersized and lacks speed, Colerain's offense would pummel them. It would be mudhole stompin' time..... Colerain has one of the best o-lines in Ohio. And Mister Simpson doesn't go down easily. To give you an idea of strength, he benches 375 pounds and is a running back! The Cardinals have a d-lineman who finished 1st at the Ohio State Nike combine in that event. He maxes 505 pounds.

So if any Texans think that SLC would manhandle Colerain - well, guess again.

[concha]

CatFan:

What's your take on all this? SLC probably plays a tougher schedule overall, but they've up points to some mediocre to just plain bad teams. They dropped 35 to 3-7 Haltom, 14 to 1-9 N. Richmond, 26 to 5-5 Grapevine...

[pied]

Good points guys, I suggest we email Coach Dodge and the UIL, and suggest we appoint Colerain the state champion in all classifications sice we got a guy from California, Ohio, and Louisiana have decided that SLC has no chance to win. Makes sense to me.........

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pied,

Gee, great retort.

Perhaps you put put that wit to better use trying to argue why SLC should be ahead of Colerain in the polls. Or is a wisecrack post the only option when arguments are lacking?

[oldkatyplayer]

umm cause texas football rocks sounds like a good reason to me.

go tigers!

[Lancer1997]

Good points guys, I suggest we email Coach Dodge and the UIL, and suggest we appoint Colerain the state champion in all classifications sice we got a guy from California, Ohio, and Louisiana have decided that SLC has no chance to win.  Makes sense to me.........

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pied,

As always, I respect your opinion....as long as you give one.

I feel that I laid out an argument pretty clearly and concisively for Colerain to be #1. I asked for arguments to the contrary. Feel free to post why you think SLC would win. Your opinion will be, as awlays, respected.

I laid out my case and you make yours. I am still waiting for someone to post why SLC should be #1.

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[pied]

Good point, I did not stick with the point of your post.

I tend to stay away from national poll topics because of my disdain for them. I unintentionally became a thread crapper and will abstain from this one.

To validate your points, however, can you state how you came to your conclusions and "points"? I know that you watched the SLC-Ryan game and Poly-MV, have you been able to do so for the Ohio teams? Or are you basing it on the competition within their respective state/region/etc.?


Thanks, and you need to make ot down here one day.

[concha]

umm cause texas football rocks sounds like a good reason to me. 

go tigers! 

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