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[pied]

It's statments like these that make me hate high school message boards.

Colerain would shut SLC down.

You determine this based on results between common opponenets? nope

Based on head to head match up? nope

Based on "beacause I said so". Whatever.......

[ECAFootballFan]

Really don't understand what this is about. So what SLC only won by 5. Hello they played Albiene regionally ranked and in the top ten teams in Texas. Just because SLC is number 1 doesent mean they have to win by 72 points. I don't lean towards Colerain because I think they just have a real edge over who their playing. If Ohio let them play other states then we could start to compare because who knows the worst 5A team in Alabama could beat the best 5A team there. We won't know the caliber of football between states until they play each other. I'd still have to go with SLC at number 1 well because us LA folks know how tuff Texas is and it shows. Another edge for teams is overall enrollment. Those catholic schools in Ohio have what 4000 boys? 3000? or even just 2000? Isnt that what Texas has in their largest class? Hell in 5A in LA the states largest class your lucky to have 500 boys. So you able to weed around and have a much higher percent of finding some talent and that should be taking into account when comparing teams by state.

[Lancer1997]

Really don't understand what this is about. So what SLC only won by 5. Hello they played Albiene regionally ranked and in the top ten teams in Texas. Just because SLC is number 1 doesent mean they have to win by 72 points. I don't lean towards Colerain because I think they just have a real edge over who their playing. If Ohio let them play other states then we could start to compare because who knows the worst 5A team in Alabama could beat the best 5A team there. We won't know the caliber of football between states until they play each other. I'd still have to go with SLC at number 1 well because us LA folks know how tuff Texas is and it shows. Another edge for teams is overall enrollment. Those catholic schools in Ohio have what 4000 boys? 3000? or even just 2000? Isnt that what Texas has in their largest class? Hell in 5A in LA the states largest class your lucky to have 500 boys. So you able to weed around and have a much higher percent of finding some talent and that should be taking into account when comparing teams by state.

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But Colerain isnt a catholic school...Whoops!

Secondly,

SLC is very good and in my opinions is the #2 team in the nation. Texas 5A and Ohio D1 are even in terms of quality teams. However at least in Ohio there are not two divisions for the top bracket, unlike in Texas.

Since Colerain has an unreal defense, I would expect them nit to stop an offense as potent as SLC's but slow them down tremendously. 21-10 or thereabouts.

I just think defense is tremendously important.

Colerain gets my vote

[nptb]

It's statments like these that make me hate high school message boards.
You determine this based on results between common opponenets?  nope

Based on head to head match up?  nope

Based on "beacause I said so".  Whatever.......

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Teams in Ohio have played the best of Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Indiana, Kentucky, New York and West Virginia. They have also played teams from D.C. Virgina and Michigan. I don't think the boys from Michigan don't want anything to do with the Ohio powers.

[pied]

And SLC or any team from Texas for that matter has played which one of those schools to make a valid comparison?

Could Colerain beat SLC, I have no idea, but you see me making comments like the one above.


I was at the game Saturday, and in my opinion it was the coach that allowed the game to get that close. The score was 35-23 w/a couple of minutes left and SLC gets an int. Instead of doing what they normally do, they run conservatively the next two plays, then unleash a bomb down the field on 3-5. Incomplete and AHS gets the ball back.

If Dodge calls the game like he had up to that point(and the rest of the season for that matter), the score is 42-23 and we are not having this discussion. Then again if "ifs and buts were candy and nuts...".

[ECAFootballFan]

But Colerain isnt a catholic school...Whoops!

Secondly,

SLC is very good and in my opinions is the #2 team in the nation. Texas 5A and Ohio D1 are even in terms of quality teams. However at least in Ohio there are not two divisions for the top bracket, unlike in Texas.

Since Colerain has an unreal defense, I would expect them nit to stop an offense as potent as SLC's but slow them down tremendously. 21-10 or thereabouts.

I just think defense is tremendously important.

Colerain gets my vote

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Didnt say Colerain was a Cathloic school but their are very large Catholic scholls there and I was using it towards the impact it would have on playing states with much smaller enrollemts. I guess at this point we have to look at the SOS.



Colerain- SOS=33.4

Wins

WINS: #25 Archbishop Moeller (Cincinnati, OH) (34-6), #64 Elder (Cincinnati, OH) (21-3), #64 Elder (Cincinnati, OH) (38-3), #90 Centerville (OH) (35-0), #172 Worthington Kilbourne (Columbus, OH) (34-3), #309 La Salle (Cincinnati, OH) (35-7), #813 Lakota West (West Chester, OH) (69-20), #1514 Fairfield (OH) (56-14), #1762 Middletown (OH) (55-7), #2340 Oak Hills (Cincinnati, OH) (56-0), #3012 Princeton (Cincinnati, OH) (45-12), #4015 Sycamore (Cincinnati, OH) (49-0), #4324 Anderson (Cincinnati, OH) (48-10), #6244 Milford (OH) (70-3), LOSSES: none


SLC-SOS=34

Wins

WINS: #13 Abilene (TX) (35-30), #16 Ryan (Denton, TX) (52-27), #115 Lee (Midland, TX) (45-14), #267 Allen (TX) (52-14), #271 Keller (TX) (33-18), #527 Fossil Ridge (Keller, TX) (28-6), #743 Irving (TX) (49-13), #1096 Grapevine (TX) (61-26), #1360 Coppell (TX) (70-21), #1533 Heritage (Colleyville, TX) (45-22), #1587 Plano East (Plano, TX) (41-21), #2415 Haltom (Haltom City, TX) (56-35), #5825 Richland (North Richland Hills, TX) (61-14), LOSSES: none



So based on SOS SLC should be number 1.


Also if anyone is like well Colerain is beating their higher ranked oppenots by more than what SLC can then let me bid you this. Minnetoka one of the top teams in Minn who is 11 in the maxpreps computer rankings. They barely beat a team #698 Cretin-Derham Hall (St. Paul, MN) (31-29) who ECA beat 47-7 and just because ECA crushed CD does not mean ECA will roll over Minnetoka so that should be taking into account, It all boils down to the caliber of football in each state. I'm sure Texas would not mind scheduling Colerain nor would ECA. Lets see if a game ever arises.

[Lancer1997]

And SLC or any team from Texas for that matter has played which one of those schools to make a valid comparison? 

Could Colerain beat SLC, I have no idea, but you see me making comments like the one above.
I was at the game Saturday, and in my opinion it was the coach that allowed the game to get that close.  The score was 35-23 w/a couple of minutes left and SLC gets an int.  Instead of doing what they normally do, they run conservatively the next two plays, then unleash a bomb down the field on 3-5.  Incomplete and AHS gets the ball back. 

If Dodge calls the game like he had up to that point(and the rest of the season for that matter), the score is 42-23 and we are not having this discussion.  Then again if "ifs and buts were candy and nuts...".

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Even the staunchest SLC supporters know the weakest part of their team is defense. From what I saw on national TV I agree. They arent a bad defense, just not great.

Against a superior defense such as Colerain, like SLC playing in one of the toughest areas of the nation, their games are blowouts, and not just that, teams are held to negatove yardage. Thats insane in a football rich area like Ohio.

The difference between the #1 and #2 teams in the nation is small. (look at 2001 DLS and Poly who actually played), however, the slight edge IMHO goes to Colerain for dominating in their playoffs, and having no challenges despite the best playoff system in this country.

SLC is a close second. Their offense is superior, but as they say, defense wins championships, and thats where my money would be.

[Lancer1997]

Didnt say Colerain was a Cathloic school but their are very large Catholic scholls there and I was using it  towards the impact it would have on playing states with much smaller enrollemts. I guess at this point we have to look at the SOS.
Colerain- SOS=33.4

Wins

WINS: #25 Archbishop Moeller (Cincinnati, OH) (34-6), #64 Elder (Cincinnati, OH) (21-3), #64 Elder (Cincinnati, OH) (38-3), #90 Centerville (OH) (35-0), #172 Worthington Kilbourne (Columbus, OH) (34-3), #309 La Salle (Cincinnati, OH) (35-7), #813 Lakota West (West Chester, OH) (69-20), #1514 Fairfield (OH) (56-14), #1762 Middletown (OH) (55-7), #2340 Oak Hills (Cincinnati, OH) (56-0), #3012 Princeton (Cincinnati, OH) (45-12), #4015 Sycamore (Cincinnati, OH) (49-0), #4324 Anderson (Cincinnati, OH) (48-10), #6244 Milford (OH) (70-3), LOSSES: none
SLC-SOS=34

Wins

WINS: #13 Abilene (TX) (35-30), #16 Ryan (Denton, TX) (52-27), #115 Lee (Midland, TX) (45-14), #267 Allen (TX) (52-14), #271 Keller (TX) (33-18), #527 Fossil Ridge (Keller, TX) (28-6), #743 Irving (TX) (49-13), #1096 Grapevine (TX) (61-26), #1360 Coppell (TX) (70-21), #1533 Heritage (Colleyville, TX) (45-22), #1587 Plano East (Plano, TX) (41-21), #2415 Haltom (Haltom City, TX) (56-35), #5825 Richland (North Richland Hills, TX) (61-14), LOSSES: none
So based on SOS SLC should be number 1.

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Not quite. Look closer at the numbers. Colerain has allowed only a touchdown or less in 9 games!!!, including 3 Shutouts.

SLC has allowed 20+ 6 times and 30+ twice.

Im sorry, but by these numbers the defensive desparity is even clearer. Anyone who has ever played football whas heard the phrase:

Defense wins championships. Clearly Colerains' D is dominating.

Ohio D1 is a better playoff system than Texas as well. All of their best teams are in the same division, whereas in Texas they are separated into 2. Colerain is dominating in their playoffs, with no close calls....

Championship teams should not give up 30+ points (even with 2nd and 3rd string) twice in a season, and 20+ 6 times!!!

[cards50]

oh and colerain runs the triple option and are still smashing teams in the best area of highschool football in the state. they pass the ball about two times a game, when the safties come up over the top touchdown every time

[ECAFootballFan]

The option may fly up there but down south its power running. The option would get stuffed against LV ECA SLC and Albiene.

[cards50]

The option may fly up there but down south its power running. The option would get stuffed against LV ECA SLC and Albiene.

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[warlok]

I have to agree with ECAFF. You try that triple option stuff against Abilene and they'll humiliate you. They took apart a pretty solid triple option attack 56-7 earlier in the year.

[pied]

An interesting fact. This is SLC's third year of 5A. They were 4A for about 4-6 years. Prior to that 3A. I remember when I was in HS and shortly thereafter, they were a power running game and the coaches did not keep stats. It was thought that some of their players had a ton of yards and so forth, but could not validate that from the school.

I do not mean to denigrate Colerain's feats, I just find it absurd to state absolute facts like many seem prone to do when there is NO way to back it up or ever see such a match up. Much like you saw w/whoever and DLS in prior years.

Teams play teams different.

Texas lost to ou 12-0. a$m took ou to dang near OT. Texas just got finished giving the aggies all they wanted. At least in this scenario you have games to compare. Who knows maybe Colerain beats the hell out of SLC, but Abilene does Colerain. Those are things we NEVER will know.

Can someone even get a seven degrees of separation here?