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[Mr. Clean]

I've said from the start that SL Carroll is the best team in Texas (and the nation)... Their national #1 ranking cannot and should not be disputed by anyone!

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I disagree. I believe that there are a few teams in the country that could defeat Southlake Carroll straight-up, or best two-out-of-three. Ablilene is a great team, no doubt, but a number one team that "cannot be disputed" is one that breezes through all competition.

[chachilib]

SLC is very good and in my opinions is the #2 team in the nation. Texas 5A and Ohio D1 are even in terms of quality teams.

I'm not sure about all that. Texas football is something else besides the point in size difference. Texas has so many more teams which allows a much higher variety of competition.

You're right. SLC defense isn't what you would expect from the #1 team in the nation. But they have lost just one game in 5A. They beat nationlly ranked Denton Ryan by 25 points. How is that for beating ranked teams. That is the only loss Ryan has this year in a very competitive district I might add.

The Dragons can be beat. But that's the same for all teams. Even your Ohio team. No there is no way to match them up but the Dragons have a very tough schedule ahead of them. Denton Ryan, then likely Lufkin (ranked nationally) then they might get another chance at the only team that has beaten them in 5A: Katy.

[Lancer1997]

I think you're asking the wrong guy for football info...

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Seriously...Grow up

[Mr. Clean]

If Dodge calls the game like he had up to that point(and the rest of the season for that matter), the score is 42-23 and we are not having this discussion.  Then again if "ifs and buts were candy and nuts...".

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I'm not in harmony with you on that one, my friend. I was definitely prompted to join in this little party when the statement was made that Southlake Carroll's number one ranking "cannot and should not" be disputed.

Was that statement specifically designed to encourage the argument that the Dragons' ranking should be disputed?

Now, I also don't subscribe to the theory that an option-oriented offense will not be successful "down here." Since the comparison to college rankings has been espoused, let me point to Exhibit A, the University of Nebraska's national championship team led by Tommie Frazier. The Cornhuskers ran over, through, and around the Florida Gators in a resounding bowl win.

Why? Superior athletes, that year. Once that crop was gone, Nebraska was relegated to "very good," not "great," or "excellent," not "superior," status.

If there are mismatches at most, if not all, positions (size, speed, and/or strength), then the option can work against any defense, even with 11 in the box.

One other thing...the fact that there are no common opponents doesn't serve as a deterrent to debate, in my arrogant opinion , because - again, the collegiate comparison is useful - teams in NCAA Division 1-A are frequently ranked under the same circumstances; i.e., how does one truly rank Utah ahead of Texas, or Boise State above LSU? Matter of opinion...

[Mr. Clean]

I think you're asking the wrong guy for football info...

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Can we please stick to intelligent debate on football-related matters?

[Commissioner]

ok folks, this thread is a little interesting minus the silly use of a computer ranking that has very little credibility for strength of schedule purposes. So with that being said, I am taking my nuetral stand and ripping it to shreads...
GO DRAGONS!

[oldkatyplayer]

Problem is we will never know who is better, we dont have a national high school playoff system, where you can play state champs aganist state champs, the day that happens, then you can say this state has the #1 team in high school, every state produces there own special teams, personally there could be alot of states that produce an excellant program. I still go with my texas roots.

go tigers!

[rockinl]

If you can't effectively throw the ball ECA will dominate you.

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Longview does'nt hardly throw the ball.....

[oldkatyplayer]

longview is out of the playoffs as well.

go tigers!

[nptb]

ok folks, this thread is a little interesting minus the silly use of a computer ranking that has very little credibility for strength of schedule purposes. So with that being said,  I am taking my nuetral stand and ripping it to shreads...
GO DRAGONS!

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The thing about Colerain's triple option is that everyone asumes that their fullback that has comitted to Michigan is getting the ball so they try and stop him first, but the quarterback is the most dangerous person and he just simply fakes it to him and gets around the end for 18 or more yards at a time and he is very hard to bring down. Then add to the fact that they probably have Lineman that will play D1 football coming off the ball extremely fast and hard. Then they have two very fast pitch man who can take it to the house anytime. And like others have said their defense is ridiculous. Moeller who has an offense very simular to the one SLC runs was held to six points and they had to drasticly change their blocking schemes to hold the three man rush. SLC quarter back is a pretty good highschool quarter back but he isn't anything special.

[Mr. Clean]

Are any of the Ohio games broacast up there? I'd love to get a tape of Colerain, and I'd be happy to pay postage and expenses in advance. Please send a PM if you can help me out.

[concha]

I think people need to take the following into account:

1) Colerain isn't simply the apparent champion-to-be in Ohio D1. They are dominating Ohio D1 in a manner rarely seen. Since week one, when they were breaking in a new QB to their option offense and were missing Michigan-bound RB Mister Simpson, nobody has come within four TDs of them. And on that 28-point win occasion it was only due to a late score against Colerain's scrubs.

Season average score: 50.4 - 7.6 (roughly 6 of these are due to scores in garbage time)

Tournament avg: 35 - 3

Since week one, their lowest scoring total is 34 points.

If you think their option offense would get stuffed in Texas, think again. Also, it's not that they CAN'T pass. They simply don't need to. Their QB has a 66% completion percentage for 18.7 yards per reception.

2) Nobody has scored more than 6 points against them the first half. This happened once. In fact, I think teams have only scored on them three times in the first half of play. This is a measure of how tough their 1st string D is.

3) If power running is the game in Texas, then be thankful that Colerain doesn't play there. Colerain has held teams to negative yards rushing on more than one occasion. In fact, their rushing D is so tough, Moeller went almost exclusively to the pass in their playoff game against Colerain (which they lost 34-6). They rushed just 8 times for 0 yards after averaging over 150 Y/G rushing during the season. Elder averaged 6 Y/G rushing against Colerain in two games (including one game of -21 yards). Against their other opponents, they averaged 167 Y/G rushing.

Lesson here? You can't run against Colerain.

[oldkatyplayer]

Never say never, ohio is not like texas.

go tigers!

[nptb]

I think people need to take the following into account:

1) Colerain isn't simply the apparent champion-to-be in Ohio D1. They are dominating Ohio D1 in a manner rarely seen.  Since week one, when they were breaking in a new QB to their option offense and were missing Michigan-bound RB Mister Simpson, nobody has come within four TDs of them. And on that 28-point win occasion it was only due to a late score against Colerain's scrubs.

Season average score: 50.4 - 7.6 (roughly 6 of these are due to scores in garbage time)

Tournament avg: 35 - 3

Since week one, their lowest scoring total is 34 points.

If you think their option offense would get stuffed in Texas, think again. Also, it's not that they CAN'T pass. They simply don't need to. Their QB has a 66% completion percentage for 18.7 yards per reception.

2) Nobody has scored more than 6 points against them the first half. This happened once. In fact, I think teams have only scored on them three times in the first half of play. This is a measure of how tough their 1st string D is.

3) If power running is the game in Texas, then be thankful that Colerain doesn't play there.  Colerain has held teams to negative yards rushing on more than one occasion. In fact, their rushing D is so tough, Moeller went almost exclusively to the pass in their playoff game against Colerain (which they lost 34-6). They rushed just 8 times for 0 yards after averaging over 150 Y/G rushing during the season. Elder averaged 6 Y/G rushing against Colerain in two games (including one game of -21 yards). Against their other opponents, they averaged 167 Y/G rushing.

Lesson here?  You can't run against Colerain.

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Exactly, Ohio is football's birthplace. It doesnt get any better. Plus Ohio has all the elements, rain, wind, snow, ice, cold, hot, even fire lol.

[concha]

Never say never, ohio is not like texas.

go tigers! 

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You are right. All of our powers basically play in one division. Former national poll champions like Ignatius, McKinley and Moeller. Recently nationally ranked programs like Colerain, St. X, Elder, Glenville, Warren Harding, St. Edward and others.... many regionally ranked teams... They all go for the same prize....

Not so in Texas.

[nptb]

No way, i don't think a ohio all-star team would shut them down. That is the stupidest comment i ever read on this forum.

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I hope you weren't being serious with that comment because if you were smack yourself.

[concha]

"No way, i don't think a ohio all-star team would shut them down. That is the stupidest comment i ever read on this forum."


There are diffferent ways to interpret "shut down". Would SLC score on Colerain? Quite likely given their passing game, despite the fact that their rushing game would probably be useless. I highly doubt they would get more than a couple of TDs though - even on a good day. And the Colerain offense just hasn't been slowed down by anyone, so there is no reason to believe that SLC's admittedly unspectacular defense would be able to do the job.