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[WOS87]

***RANKINGS UPDATED TO INCLUDE 2009 RECORDS***

Cumulative Records

Win-Loss totals of the following chart include games through the end of the 2009 season.

Click on the link at the end of this post to see the game-by-game scores of these THSF Goliaths of the past few decades


For similar rankings by Classification click the links: 1A - 2A - 3A - 4A - 5A



Best Records per U.I.L. Realignment




Dynasties

I finally have the numbers of the records for wins over consecutive seasons updated with 2007 numbers added in up through Week 15. 62 new records have been set so far in 2007 including 5 by Southlake Carroll, 8 by Plano, 9 by Refugio, 17 by Celina and 23 by Highland Park. Celina's and HP's new records are listed in green as they still have one game remaining to play at the time of compiling this and those numbers could possibly increase by another win. As Highland Park currently holds the record for most All-Time wins in Texas with 699, there's no point in going back further than 85 seasons.

The following are the #1 ranked "dynasties" for each possible window of time ranging from 3 seasons to 85 seasons over the entire history of high school football in Texas using total wins as the ranking criteria. I'm putting together another using winning percentage, which will bring in some of the older era programs that didn't have the ability to play 16 games in a season to pad their win totals.

You have to realize how many datapoints were compiled and compared here to see the significance of the teams and time windows listed. Each of the listed "dynasties" below is #1 out of tens of thousands that it was compared against.



State Champs Compared

Here are the 384 teams that have had some claim to an 11-man football title in all classifications from 1920-2009, including teams that eventually had to forfeit titles as well as Fort Worth Masonic Home who tied Corsicana in the state title game in 1932 but wasn't officially a co-champ due to losing on penetrations.

The first set of columns is State Championship teams ranked by Highest Average Points Scored per game
The middle set of columns is State Championship teams ranked by Fewest Average Points Allowed per game
The last set of columns is State Championship teams ranked by Highest Average Margin of Victory per game




And finally...

Here is a list of the 81 programs that have won at least 5 Region Championships or more in U.I.L. 11-man football from 1920-2007.

State Championship years listed in BLUE
State Finalist years listed in RED
Ch = Total # of State Titles
Ru = Total # of times as Runnerup
S = Total # of times losing in the Semifinals





Game-by-Game Team Histories

Edited by WOS87, 29 December 2009 - 03:17 PM.

[Summit]

is the attachments suppost to be pics?

[Lamar'85]

Well at least the topic sounded interesting. Maybe he'll be able to fix it to where we can see what he's talking about.

[WOS87]

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Edited by WOS87, 07 April 2007 - 03:48 AM.

[Summit]

Finally....  What a hassle THAT was!!

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Yeah it was

[CCHS77]

It's kind of interesting, only one school made the top 10 on all 8 lists and only one other made it on 7 of them and neither are probably one of the first 2 or 3 that most people would guess.  (SLC isn't even in the top 10 on the first list)

1996 and 1999 were not good years for the post Ledbetter and pre Dodge Dragons.

Edited by CCHS77, 07 January 2005 - 03:55 PM.

[KTHoC]

I always see CC Calallen at the top in the Corpus Christi area. I have yet to see them get out of their area in the playoffs. Their win percentage and win loss totals must be because they have no competition there. A friend that is a Katy fan is working there and has said that there isn't much in that area. That Calallen isn't much of a contender even though they dominate that area. I am sure there could be a more legitimate team in the top ten list for 1995 - 2004. Most of the teams in each category for each of the years have had competition in their districts or areas and have had success in the playoffs. Their totals represent solid programs that produce the results to prove they are or have been true powerhouses. Anyone have a good argument for Calallen, could not find them in a state final ever.

[texlong9]

well, thanks for editing man.......thats interesting info....

[mcmullet]

WOS87
Nice Job coming up with all the Stats

[oldkatyplayer]

good to see my tigers doing good here.

[WOS87]

SLC 92-04 and Converse Judson 83-04 added this evening 3/5/05

[WOS87]

Plano '95-'04 and Permian '65-'04 on board as well as Jasper '87-'04 and Euless Trinity '91-'04

[smitty]

This is a nice fact to know but you also have to consider the fact that its easier to build a power house in 3A or 4A then it is in 5A. Also, most of the 5A schools that were or are big powerhouse teams are the only high schools in a growing city. Consider what the difference would be say if Austin had one football team or San Antonio or even Arlington. Those teams would of rolled over teams like Southlake Carroll the old Permian teams. If I am not mistaken Lamar was the winningest 5A team in the 90's.

[WOS87]

I most definitely have to disagree with the above post. The 5A teams have a huge advantage as far as maintaining a high winning percentage or keeping a winning streak going. Most of the upper echelon 1A-4A teams almost without exception schedule teams from higher classifications in their pre-district games, thus making it much more difficult to keep a winning streak going. The 5A teams don't have that option.

Out of all the teams in the list above, 16 out of the 23 different teams that made the rankings are currently 4A or 5A.


You are right in stating that if each individual city had only one school, the largest cities would win most of the time, but it is ridiculous to use that as an argument that because your school is in a city that has more than one high school the talent is diluted and you are at a disadvantage. Houston, Dallas and San Antonio metropolitan areas account for 11.5 million of the almost 21 million people in Texas (55%) so it would be awfully unfair to have one high school in each of those three cities to compete against over 1000 other towns that wouldn't even have a combined population of those three. It's to prevent such a thing from occurring that they have new schools opening in growing areas such as Katy, Arlington, Round Rock, etc. If Arlington only had one high school it would have a student population of close to 17,000 which would make it 3 times larger than the current largest high school in the nation. Of course a Southlake Carroll, or Lufkin, etc. would have a tough time competing... that's why the classification system was put in place.

Also, the argument that the "powerhouse" teams are the only schools in a growing city doesn't hold water either. WOS is the only high school in Orange city limits, which has dropped almost 50% in population since 1980, and the high school has dropped from 5A to 3A in the same period and hasn't really wobbled much out of the 77-79% winning range. Southlake Carroll did considerably worse while in 4A than while in either 3A or 5A despite undergoing a huge growth spurt in population during that period.

Some claim Plano High isn't doing as well as it has in the past due to budding off of new schools but despite the existence of Plano East and West, the original Plano still was the 4th largest school in Texas according to the realignment numbers when it went 0-10 in 2003 and it had the 5th largest enrollment in the state in 2004 when they went 4-6.


And as far as winningest teams in the 90's, (I'm assuming you're referring to Arlington Lamar) they are a bit further down the list than #1.

1. Austin Westlake 126-13-3 0.898
2. La Marque 127-16-0 0.888
3. CC Calallen 121-17-0 0.877
4. Celina 109-17-1 0.862
5. Sealy 114-19-0 0.857
6. Stephenville 123-21-1 0.852
7. Converse Judson 115-20-3 0.844
8. Alto 104-20-0 0.839
9. Arlington Lamar 103-20-2 0.832

[big daddy russ]

I always see CC Calallen at the top in the Corpus Christi area. I have yet to see them get out of their area in the playoffs. Their win percentage and win loss totals must be because they have no competition there. A friend that is a Katy fan is working there and has said that there isn't much in that area. That Calallen isn't much of a contender even though they dominate that area. I am sure there could be a more legitimate team in the top ten list for 1995 - 2004. Most of the teams in each category for each of the years have had competition in their districts or areas and have had success in the playoffs. Their totals represent solid programs that produce the results to prove they are or have been true powerhouses. Anyone have a good argument for Calallen, could not find them in a state final ever.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

They've never been in a State Final, but they haven't missed the playoffs since Phil Danaher got there in '85.

As far as the area, they probably play in the toughest area in Region IV... same district as Gregory-Portland and Alice. The Wildcats own the state record for most consecutive 10-win seasons, a record which dated back to 1988 and was snapped this past season (went 9-4) at 16 seasons.

Made five consecutive appearances in the State Semis from 93-97, losing to LaMarque each time. Their last real power team was the '00 team. That was really the last state contender they fielded, but that team flamed out in the Semis just like the teams of the 90's. West Orange-Stark pulled off the W in that contest with a game-winning TD drive with less than a minute to play.

Only one of those State Semifinal games (the '94 game against LaMarque) was out of reach late in the fourth. Calallen lost that game by 22.

About the area, the district put a team in the Semis every year from 92 until 2000. Nine straight appearances and a team in the Semis 11 of 12 years starting in '92. But even with all that tradition in the last 15 years, 31-4A has failed to send a team to the dance during that span.

The last two or three years have been G-P's years, but have been down years overall for that district. The coaching is there (Danaher's a legend along with G-P's George Harris, former frontman for 2A powerhouse Refugio) but the talent level is down a little.

CALALLEN STATE SEMIFINAL APPEARANCES

1993 vs. LaMarque L, 33-31
1994 vs. LaMarque L, 36-14
1995 vs. LaMarque L, 32-21
1996 vs. LaMarque L, 24-21 (OT)
1997 vs. LaMarque L, 13-3
2000 vs. West Orange-Stark L, 27-21

I always see CC Calallen at the top in the Corpus Christi area. I have yet to see them get out of their area in the playoffs.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I don't know what you mean by CC area. Maybe you're referring to Region IV??? Their district (CC Flour Bluff, CC Calallen, CC Tuloso-Midway, Rockport-Fulton, Gregory-Portland, Alice, Robstown and Kingsville) is the only one in the CC area. Only one other 4A team (Beeville) is within an hour-and-a-half drive from Corpus.

Like I said, they haven't been at the top of the 4A ranks in the Coastal Bend for the past couple years. But if you're talking about the playoffs they've made it at least two rounds deep every year since 1990. Most of those runs ended in the Quarterfinals and six have ended in the Semis. Did this answer your question?

Edited by big daddy russ, 08 April 2005 - 11:05 PM.

[WOS87]

CALALLEN STATE SEMIFINAL APPEARANCES

1993  vs. LaMarque L, 33-31
1994  vs. LaMarque L, 36-14
1995  vs. LaMarque L, 32-21
1996  vs. LaMarque L, 24-21 (OT)
1997  vs. LaMarque L, 13-3
2000  vs. West Orange-Stark L, 27-21

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

And don't forget their last second loss in the 2003 Semis to Bay City 21-23

That's 7 Semifinal appearances in 11 years

[big daddy russ]

And don't forget their last second loss in the 2003 Semis to Bay City 21-23

That's 7 Semifinal appearances in 11 years

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Dang, I forgot about that. I write this huge post and forget all about that. Thanks, 87.

Edited by big daddy russ, 08 April 2005 - 11:10 PM.

[Super B]

Darn good job WOS87!

[BigWood05]

Man Calallen has some bad luck runnin into the coogahs come playoff time!

[Mojo Man]

Also, most of the 5A schools that were or are big powerhouse teams are the only high schools in a growing city. Consider what the difference would be say if Austin had one football team or San Antonio or even Arlington. Those teams would of rolled over teams like Southlake Carroll the old Permian teams.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Don't think so big guy. Permian (Mojo) rolled over whoever stood in the way. Odessa was one of three high schools, eventually two, in a city of less than 100,000 and it never got any bigger. In fact some of the best success was enjoyed as the city was shrinking after the oil slump in the early-1980s. I've seen alot of teams play since I started watching in 1971 and I haven't seen any big-time successful 5A teams built on the same platform as the old Permian teams. That is, a small city a very long way from any metropolitan area with a generally low average income. Most of the big schools you are seeing successful today are outgrowths of large metropolitan areas--Southlake Carroll, Smithson Valley, Judson. I would even lump Midland Lee and Midland High into the equation with Midland historically being a little smaller but a little wealthier than Odessa. There is no equal to Midland/Odessa football anywhere in the State. Find me any town or towns close together with less than 200,000 people who have put so many teams in 5A state championship games.