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[HooverOutlaw]

Thats why they get no respect nationally. I know for a fact Hoover and Brynes have talked to Indy about games. Teams like Hoover, Brynes, and Evangel play these national games. Indy would not even come to Hoover's 7 on 7. When many other top teams did. You had several nationally ranked teams at the 7 on 7 Springdale, Brynes, Hoover, and Evangel(most years are in the top 25).
Indy needs to play the top teams then they will get respect. Hoover has signed to play Brynes in 06 and 07 and is working on Jenks also in 2006 .

[59rebel]

Thats why they get no respect nationally. I know for a fact Hoover and  Brynes have talked to Indy about games. Teams like Hoover, Brynes, and Evangel play these national games. Indy would not even come to Hoover's 7 on 7. When many other top teams did. You had several nationally ranked teams at the 7 on 7 Springdale, Brynes, Hoover, and Evangel(most years are in the top 25).
Indy needs to play the top teams then they will get respect. Hoover has signed to play Brynes in 06 and 07 and is working on Jenks also in 2006 .

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several other teams are being talked about for our open game. fla,calif that i have heard of.

[ECAFootballFan]

Yeah Indy would never sign a game with ECA. ECA has been trying since 1999 I believe.

[Texas Fan]

Thats why they get no respect nationally. I know for a fact Hoover and  Brynes have talked to Indy about games. Teams like Hoover, Brynes, and Evangel play these national games. Indy would not even come to Hoover's 7 on 7. When many other top teams did. You had several nationally ranked teams at the 7 on 7 Springdale, Brynes, Hoover, and Evangel(most years are in the top 25).
Indy needs to play the top teams then they will get respect. Hoover has signed to play Brynes in 06 and 07 and is working on Jenks also in 2006 .

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No disrespect to Indy my brotha, hell, we are playing in one of the toughest states, we have a 57-1 record since 2002 and we can't even get respect.
Are you kidding.... you almost have to go 1,000-0 against every single team in the USA to get respect in the Nation.

Keep the Tradition Alive next week SLC will be 10-0 going into the playoffs.
and yes, if they don't play their "A" game everygame, they have the possibility of lossing before the state championship game. Wait a minute.... that rule goes for anyteam in the USA that makes the playoffs. hmmmmm.. even those 4-5 teams and 5-4 teams that make it. That why there are always upsets....

[btango]

Thats why they get no respect nationally. I know for a fact Hoover and  Brynes have talked to Indy about games. Teams like Hoover, Brynes, and Evangel play these national games. Indy would not even come to Hoover's 7 on 7. When many other top teams did. You had several nationally ranked teams at the 7 on 7 Springdale, Brynes, Hoover, and Evangel(most years are in the top 25).
Indy needs to play the top teams then they will get respect. Hoover has signed to play Brynes in 06 and 07 and is working on Jenks also in 2006 .

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Once again I will set the record straight. Let me start with ECA Football Fan. In 1999 Indy went 5-5 and ran the veer. Chris Leak played some as a freshman that year. After the season the long time coach left. During the summer Tom Knotts was hired. In 2001 Indy started ten sophmores and was not expected to be a title contender after losing the second game of the season to Crest 34-31. I doubt anyone was really calling them for a game before the 1999, 2000, or 2001 seasons as they were not considered a power as yet.

After the 2001 season Indy went after a national game and had contact with DLS, a couple of Oklahoma schools, some Ohio teams, and a few Georgia teams. Funds and scheduling were the issue and the games did not work out. If I remember correctly Ohio at the time had a rule that they could not play teams from non border states. I may be off on that, but there was a governing issue that came up. I have direct knowledge of this. I do not remember ECA ever being mentioned. If they called I do not know.

With the national games not working out Indy turned to SC and signed a home and home with the defending Big 16 (SC's largest schools) champ Spartanburg. Indy won in 2002 33-7 and Spartanburg went 10-4. They lost to Byrnes by 11. In 2003 Indy, after losing 12 starters from the 2002 team, won 49-7 and Spartanburg went 6-6 and lost the other five games by a total of 27 points including a 10 point loss to Byrnes. I saw both the SC and NC title games each year since 2001. I think that the only SC champ that could have played with the same season Indy team would have been Rock Hill in 2002. 2001, 2003, and 2004 Indy was by far the best team in the two states. In 2001 Byrnes was 10-4. If Indy would have beaten them everyone would have said they should have played a Big 16 team. Byrnes is a class below.

After the 2003 season Knotts left and took the Duke (alma mater/db 1978) qb job. It took several months of redtape before TK's DC Bill Geiler was awarded the job. Geiler and the longtime group of assistants took a cushy coaching/teaching job in a neighboring county after the 2004 season. The Indy AD had taken the same position as that school. At the end of the year the principal retired.

Knotts got the job back in May of 2005. He continued to work at Duke until June. He returned to a team that lost 19 starters and nearly 40 players. He is starting a junior qb this year that did not play football last season and has 12 freshman on the varsity. He is working on the basics. As for a major game this season or last year it would have been a problem to schedule with the coaching and administrative changes.

Before Knotts was at Indy he coached West Charlotte. They had some good squads and won one state title and lost in the title game twice. He often played strong schools from outside the area, but always NC teams.

People need to understand that Indy is one of sixteen schools in the Charlotte Mecklenburg Schools system and they do not get any favors. The school system has many problems and the backing of sports is not a high priority. Come check out the Indy facilities and you will be surprised what they do not have.

Indy does not have a large fan base although the school has about 2,500 students. The night Chris Leak set the national record for td passes about 500 people were in the stands. Indy does not have the money to travel far away form Charlotte unless they are getting financial assistance. They ride the three hours to the state title games on school buses the morning of the game and return after the game. No hotels or luxury liners. They cannot play a big game in there home stadium as it is not up to standard. Due to state laws regarding entry/exits and security personnel it is too expensive to play at Memorial Stadium and make much profit. Last year the state semis against Richmond County was played in front of over 12,000 and the schools split very little money. RC travels strong and they brought about half the fans. I doubt a game against a team from Alabama or Louisiana would pull that many.

HooverOutlaw was Hoover willing to pay Indy's way to the 7 on 7? If not they are not coming. If so I leave it up to Knotts if he wants to take a young team and throw them into that situation. He is the coach and needs to make decisions that will help his team win the state title.

I am the first to agree that Indy needs to schedule a game with a national name team. I would rather them lose a close game to a super team and the streak stop than not be tested by a powerhouse. First Indy needs to run the table in NC this season and that is not a given! They will be strong enough next year to play with any team in the nation, although they will not be on the level of the teams of 2001 or 2004. This year I think they are a little overated, but I said the same about Bellevue and Long Beach Poly after I watched that game.

I personally would like to see them play Byrnes and either Lakeland or SLC next season. I think Lakeland (saw them in person three weeks ago) is a legitimate preseason number one next year. I saw SLC in person last year and although I thought Indy would have handled them I have no problem with the number one rankings they received last year. They ran the table in Texas and won the close ones.

I watched Georgia v Florida today and I watched three former Indy players play. Chris Leak, Georiga true freshman receiver Mohammed Massaquoi, and Georgia speciality teams player Mario Raley. Joe Cox was dressed on the sidelines due to the Georgia qb situation, but is currently redshirting his freshman year. Not bad.

I think high school football is the greatest sport and I like to see the best play the best. Hopefully Indy can step out and play a national team next year. If they win they will still be questionned by many and if they lose people will say they were never that good.

[RichmondCounty]

correction Byrnes does not play national games up until 3-4 years Byrnes was a cupcake in SC. As far as Evangel and Hoover you guys are horrible this year. Indy does not take liberty in beating up the little sisters of the poor Stick with facts and not fiction. The facts are Indy is a powerhouse in football on a national level, fact Indy has won 5 state championships, fact Indy has more than 10 div 1 players active in college, fact Indy has set a state record, fact Indy has proven they are the best in NC for 5 years and counting, fact Indy only chance of losing this year will be at the hands of Charlotte Providence after this year Indy is fully stocked and loaded, fact Indy is the second best High School program ever behind De la Salle, fact Indy will not play outside of NC

[ohtiger]

indy has a good program but they are not the second best team ever. valdosta and many others have more wins all time then indy. richmond county I think you are something.

Edited by ohtiger, 31 October 2005 - 09:42 AM.

[59rebel]

[quote=RichmondCounty,Oct 31 2005, 11:46 AM]
correction Byrnes does not play national games up until 3-4 years Byrnes was a cupcake in SC. As far as Evangel and Hoover you guys are horrible this year. Indy does not take liberty in beating up the little sisters of the poor Stick with facts and not fiction. The facts are Indy is a powerhouse in football on a national level, fact Indy has won 5 state championships, fact Indy has more than 10 div 1 players active in college, fact Indy has set a state record, fact Indy has proven they are the best in NC for 5 years and counting, fact Indy only chance of losing this year will be at the hands of Charlotte Providence after this year Indy is fully stocked and loaded, fact Indy is the second best High School program ever behind De la Salle, fact Indy will not play outside of NC

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lol oh richmond i love ya, you are full of far..........er facts. your last one explains why this thread, indy will not play outside of nc. not even if the sc school offers to pay the church mice for their gas and i am not just talking about byrnes.fact
except for one school in nc indy has played nothing but weak sisters and that one took you to the last second.as for richmond i do not understand a state that allows 8 champions but i hope you guys get a crack at indy unless they are in the dodge everyone grouping.

[RichmondCounty]

Im with Indy, sit on the egg until it hatches meaning until you beat De la Salle win streak. Sorry if TCF cant stay undefeated because you play only top 10 teams in the country. I will say this Texas doesnt have a team that could beat Byrnes neither does Florida, GA, LA, AR, or CA. This closest team to Indy which happens to be Byrnes can only dream about playing Indy in regular season because unlike some Indy has common sense.

[RichmondCounty]

Yeah Indy would never sign a game with ECA. ECA has been trying since 1999 I believe.

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What is ECA? Who is ECA? Where is ECA? Since 1999 wow you would think by now they would have scheduled you guys? They must be really scared of a team that hasnt been good since the 70s

[Big Drop]

Richmond County, I respect you for your enthusiasm and love for Independence but you're really in over your head on this. There's a long list ahead of Richmond County for the title of second best. I'd start with Massillon (Paul Brown's years would go one on one with your present success), Valdosta (two different coaches), Hampton, VA (Mike Smith), Central Bucks West (Mike Pettine with TWO 50+ game winning streaks), John Curtis (better winning percentage than Coach Lad) and a few othes. I'd also suggest that De La Salle may NOT be the best program of all time under Coach Lad. I'd say their EQUAL was Cincinnati Moeller under Faust. This is the link to Moeller's "Gridiron Guide."

http://homepages.moe.....ron Guide.pdf

Faust (who was successful enough that he took over as head coach at Notre Dame directly from Moeller) won 105 out of 107 games playing what amounted to a national schedule. De La Salle did this for the last five or six years; Faust did it for ten along with the Ohio state championship. As DLS played the strongest schools in So Cal, Hawaii, LA and WA Faust played the strongest from CA (Steve Beurlein's Servite), VA, MD, NY, FL (Miami Christopher Columbus when they were strong), PA and a few others. The closest game was 29-15 when Moeller-the year after Faust went to Notre Dame-beat Servite. Moeller was ranked #1 five times in the nation during this time.

You noted that Indy has ten players on college teams. Scroll down that link to about page 30. Seven times in a fifteen year period Moeller sent OVER TWENTY players to college on scholarship with at least half of these each year to Division 1. This peaked with 27 in one year and 24 in two others. This means that most, if not all years, at least 50 players on any given Faust team were going to college on scholarship with approximately half or more of them going to major 1A programs.

Faust wasn't the first to play national games; that was Paul Brown's Massillon teams. Go to Massillon's website and look where schools came from back then to play them.

I wish Independence the best. But you're not the second best of all time. Maybe the second best streak but not the second best program.

Edited by Big Drop, 31 October 2005 - 02:14 PM.

[RichmondCounty]

Heard it all before <_< Indy has the second longest win streak in high school history making them the second most successful program in the country.

[RichmondCounty]

This is the link to Moeller's "Gridiron Guide."

http://homepages.moe.....ron Guide.pdf

Man you have link that is 24mb to large I dont have enough memory on my computer to open it. I only have 1mb hard disk

[RichmondCounty]

Bellevue...The DLS of the New Millennium?

Why must we listen to the hype about an unstoppable ground game, 30 game win streak, they are the DLS of the New Millennium. Bust, now you give SouthLake Carroll the top spot WOW you guys are amazing. The barely beat a Grapevine that lost big to Dentan. The only team you may have an arguement for is Byrnes because they won the superbowl when they won a scrimmage 24-14. Congrats Byrnes you won a scrimmage Thats like beating the Patriots in preseason literally. Now back to this horrible Texas team, who have they played?
They have played team with a combined record of 18-24. Can Carroll really handle a decent team? and what type of Mascot is a Dragon stay in Texas where its safe!!! Any team who wishes a good ole fashion spanking come to Richmond County and get a taste of the Raiders You cant even see NC best you must see the best program in regards of tradition.

[TheLoneRanger]

What is ECA? Who is ECA? Where is ECA? Since 1999 wow you would think by now they would have scheduled you guys? They must be really scared of a team that hasnt been good since the 70s

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That's the most ignorant thing I've ever heard.

ECA, or Evangel Christian Academy of Shreveport, is the best football program in Louisiana. With an enrollment of 200 students, they have won 4 of the last 6 (I think) LHSAA 5A titles (for schools with enrollments of 1100+). They were dropped to 1A this year, and should dominate once the playoffs start.

[Big Drop]

This is the link to Moeller's "Gridiron Guide." 

http://homepages.moe.....ron Guide.pdf

Man you have link that is 24mb to large I dont have enough memory on my computer to open it. I only have 1mb hard disk

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Big programs require big memory. Small programs....

More to the point: I gave you the link to documentation to support everything I have said. You come back and imply the problem is mine because you can't open it. Really. So much for respectful responses. I'd suggest that instead of 80 games against the Little Sisters of the Poor you step up a bit in your schedule and then we talk....

[btango]

I have never considered Indy to have one of the most storied or magnficent programs of all time, but the run they have had is impressive even if they only played two out of state teams.

When I was a young man Cincinnati Moeller was the ultimate in prep football and as a Notre Dame fan I hoped that Faust would carry on the tradition. Great man, but a little too much a little too fast.

Indy currently has about forty players playing college football. Indy players have went to Tennessee, Georgia, Florida, Maryland, and some of the stronger D1AA programs. As with most programs the majority are at D2 schools. Several seniors from the 2004 squad are starting as true freshmen this season.

One thing with recruiting in the early 1980's and before the colleges did not have the scholarship limits as they do now so it was a little easier to go to a major college than it is now. If a player is on scholarship at a D1 school he is a heck of a player.

Richmond County is an excellent program and probably the best in the state of NC. A program is not just a great team, but a community that lives for the team, a youth league that runs the plays the big boys do, a way of growing up wanting to play for the varsity. Indy does not have that. Richmond Senior has been in existence since the early 1970's and produced some awesome teams with NFL destined players. Before Indy they were the measuring stick in NC.

As for the Richmond poster/fan I agree with Big Drop.

ECA is known to those who know high school football. Many would say the best LA program is West Monroe or John Curtis. Either way I give them props.

High school football is a special time in a young man's life when he can be a hero before he becomes just another guy who gets lost in adulthood. Regardless, if you play 1A in Idaho or 5A in Texas the game is something special.

[ECAFootballFan]

ECA is that little 1A school you turned down playing. The year we played DLS we tried to schedule Indy I think it was 2003. Indy will never get any respect playing this easy schedule. I'd rather my team get blown out by the best than to beat small state teams and say were the best. ECA is just real young this year and lack of a qb again hurt them. Once the freshman and sophmores have 2 years ECA will again compete with the high profile teams they play.

[Big Drop]

btango, your's was an insightful, knowledgeable post that was a pleasure to read. Thank you for sharing. I also agree with you about the Richmond County program; in fact to be honest I found it curious that someone using that as a "handle" would promote Independence.

By the way my high school, DeMatha, lost to Moeller 36-0 in 1980. I happened to be in Cincinnati on business and went to the game with a friend whose son played for Faust. I couldn't believe that the team Moeller was playing was DeMatha who I grew up in the '60's with. There were almost 20,000 people at the game, which to me was remarkable for a high school game. I'd also never seen a high school team with players "cut" the way some of the Moeller players were. That DeMatha team had several players go into the NFL from it as well as finishing the season ranked #2 in the Washington area (without the Moeller game they would have been #1). My respect for Moeller dates back to that night and several other games I saw them play.

I would also add that there has probably never been anyone who could recruit like Faust did. With his infectious enthusiasm in his first year at Notre Dame he brought in 13 Parade All Americans. That's 13 out of about 40. I don't think anyone has even approached this number in the 30+ years Parade has been naming players to their All American team. To this day it really is a shame that he was not successful in South Bend. He would have been great for the Irish.

Edited by Big Drop, 31 October 2005 - 09:44 PM.