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[Chris493TKE]

You have to go with Earl Campbell on this one...

[superaggie79]

Just so ya'll know Jacoby Jones is on the verge of breaking into the top five single season rushing mark w/ a good game in this state championship game. He's had 41 consecutive 100 yd games and will have his sixteenth of the season after this game and he's had 5 consecutive 200 yd games all in the playoffs.

Plus how good of a back was Wes if he never got to the championship? I'm basing this on the fact that he had so many consecutive 100yd games but not on the singles season record of 15 or 16. Jones has done it 2 consecutive years.

[warlok]

Would someone clear things up on Hall. When he was playing High School started in the 10th grade. Most ISD had Jr. Highs with 7,8,and 9th grades.

Hall was the best, during his time. My vote goes to the Tyler Rose, after all he got his twin brothers a full ride to UT also. They were good, but without Earl do they go to UT?

Not necessarily true, PAPA.

1. 11,232 Kenneth Hall, Sugar Land, 1950-53 (1950, 51, 52, 53 - 4 seasons)
2. 8,855 Wes Danaher, CC Calallen, 1992-95 (1992, 93, 94, 95 - 4 seasons)
3. 8,441 Rodney Thomas, Groveton, 1987-90 (1987, 88, 89, 90 - 4 seasons)
4. 8,418 Cedric Benson, Midland Lee, 1998-2000 (1998, 99, 00 - 3 seasons)
5. 8,411 Robert Strait, Cuero, 1985-88 (1985, 86, 87, 88 - 4 seasons)

Cedric Benson is the only member of the top 5 to not have had a freshman season on the Varsity. He is also the only member of the top 5 to have competed in 5A.

[LPanther]

I wondered about Hall's teams......did they win state?.....what was their record? Sugarland was a class B school at the time he played. Their record during his HS career was 38-6-1. They lost the first five games of his freshman year and one other game when he was injured. They won regionals Hall's last three years. Class B was apparently so unorganized that they did not have a state championship. Sugarland quite often beat teams of higher classifications, until they ran out of competition. At A&M Bear Bryant put Hall at fullback and John David Crow at halfback even though Hall was the fastest player on the team (running a 9.6 100 yds.) In those days everyone played both ways which meant Hall also had to play linebacker even though he was more suited to be a defensive back. Bryant stated that he badly miscoached Hall in college, and sent him a letter of apology 20 years later. Hall sustained a back injury early in his pro career that fractured 5 vertebra, and he never was the same again. And yes, PAPA55, he did play as a freshman. Apparently HS started in 9th grade in Sugarland.

[postman]

I can't believe that you would try to compare jacoby jones ( 2nd team all st) to the likes of Earl and the rest of these guys. That is absolutley ridiculus. You must be smoking something.

[Exporter]

During the '30s, '40s and 50s almost 100% of H.S. teams ran a 6-2-2-1 defense, and would use a 5-3-2-1wwhen they were sure there would be a pass. Very few used any stunts.... some would slant charge to the wide side at times.

So what you say. Well I can tell you that the offence KNEW what they were facing. Offences were schooled to block the 6 man line and the 5 man line, and that was it. There was no question who you were going to block. Everyone ran the same defense!

In the 50's it started to change with the LSU 'Monster" defense . But football players ARE football players and they are WHERE you find them - so any one who says a player from yesteryear could't run up big ( enormous) stats today may have a point ....OR does he? To try to pick THE BEST RB in Texas history is a relative judgement. In Track and Field the watch or the tape is an objective measurement. But there is a lot of subectivity when picking a RB. Its hard not to include Earl Cambell , he was a grown man amoung boys.

[superaggie79]

Wasn't trying to compare him to Earl but I do think that he's as good as a couple of people on that list. Plus everyone likes to brag about their boys. Plus that all-state crap is a joke. I think that 95% of the people involved w/ football would want a guy that will carry his team to state 2 yrs in a row over a couple of guys that blow their load (Buddy Hanson & Jacobie Russel) in the regular season and have no playoff success.

[postman]

I think that someone blew their load today.

[Colts2Win]

No doubt that Earl Campbell was the best HS running back. If you didn't see him play in HS you missed a real treat. I saw him destroy All America LBs, DBs, DTs & DEs in the playoffs. But it is hard to argue with Cedric Benson's numbers. Still I don't think even the most loyal LEE fan would say that TEXAS fans will start comparing prospects to the greatest (Benson) and not be refering to the ROSE.

If I had to vote on the most distinguished career it would be a hard vote...

1.....Earl Campbell
2.....Eric Dickerson

[Super B]

I can't believe there is only 3 votes for Ken Hall. I'm only 32 & recognize the greatness of the Sugarland express. I'd say he could have easily played today. He wouldn't have gotten 11,000+ yards, but he would have probably had Cedric Benson type numbers anyway.

[Exporter]

The question is : How can a RB have over 500 yds. in less than one half. THINK.
If he was never tackled nor pushed out of bounds , he would have to have ten(10)
or eleven (11) runs of at least fifty(50) yards! Consider that the opponent would have 10 or 12 posessions too! A half IS TWENTY FOUR MINTES , IS THERE ENOUGH TIME FOR THAT MANY POSESSIONS ? I think not. The opponent would have to have failed to make a first down , and that player would have had to carry on 1st down and scored each carry. Were punt returns included ?

Back in the late '40s and the early '50s The Houston Post and Chronicle wrote little clips about H.S. football but never any stats. Stats were not kept except for how many TDs a player scored. I am speaking for the District that included:Galena Park, Baytown,Pasadena,Ball High, Freeport and Texas City.

Sorry if I have pulled someone's chain. But , since I was there ( during that era),
and played at Freeport- I can assure you that I did read all the papers.

The Question is : Come up with a senario that shows how a running back could have over 500 yards in less than 24 minutes coming off the clock. I hope you can - I can't.

[LPanther]

Exporter,
That's a good question. It's hard to dig up info on the players from the 50's. Do you remember hearing much about Ken Hall? .......Looks like this poll is about done, and Earl Campbell wins! For everything you want to know about him go to earlcampbell.com.

[Exporter]

LPanther,

Sweeny, Sugarland and those real small schools were in Class B. Not much publicity then , except the scores on the weekend in papers. There was NO T.V.

Truthfully, I never heard of Ken Hall until about 8 years ago when I was visiting a friend in Marble Falls. He and I had played together in Freeport. Well he said the best BB-Q was in Fredricksburg, at Ken Hall's place. Then he told me about "that guy" from Sugarland who was a great player. We didn't hear or read anything about him until the 1990s.

But there have been 2 or 3 articles in the San Antonio Express-News over the past 2 years. I do believe that Mr. Hall was and is a fine man. He hired H.S. kids and helped them a lot. Yep, from all we read he is a finer man than he was a ballplayer. He has two sons in Calif.
He sold that BB-QQ place about a year ago. He is 68 years old now. There is a picture of him in todays SA paper of him in H.S. He was # 31 in the pic. He was a good looking guy. Too bad what the Bear did to him later.

[Exporter]

Yessir , Have heard of Allbrooks, he played after I did. Coach Neely (Rice) had our team as guests to a game at Rice. A fine man.

Do you remember a terrific sprinter from Texas City named McWhorter? He and a team mate of mine at Freeport , Geo. Slade, were on a record setting sprint relay team at U of Houston. George was a kick return man - wouldn't block or tackle , but could fly.

[LION KING]

EARL CAMPBELL...........Oh, by the way, when he was in college he was voted best college player by the New York Downtown Athletic Club ( I think they call it the Heisman Trophy). And remember those Houston Oilers, they had an All Pro Running Back that run all over the Pittsburgh '' Steele Curtain '', his name was also EARL CAMPBELL. He never changed from High School through College to the NFL.