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[LPanther]

I`d say he`s up there, but you need to give it some time.
Also, not taking away from him, but if you rush for 3,000 yards in a season, the offense is centered around you. Earl jumped from to RB one year removed from being an all state LB, picked it up like it was nothing and had a ridiculous season. Went on to have a great college career, and eventually a great pro career. But like I said...give it a few more years before people will consider Earl and Cedric on the same level.

This thread is based on what they did in HS, not what has happened or will happen on any other level.

[Danger in Iraq]

Well big arab there is some debate there but i still stand by the theory you cant compare era's with the talent level where it is today these kids in high school now could have played in the nfl in the 50 and 60 and maybe the 70's and dominated. im talking players are 510- 6'3 and between 210 and 270 lbs and running 4.3- 4.5 40's now the question was stated as who is the best running back in texas high school history. with the talent level the way it is now none of those others can even come close to comparing to the talent level as cedric. but if we are going by numbers. one would have to vote for ken hall. i mean how many times did earl campbell rush for 520 yards in a quarter. much less more than 11,000 in a career. i am just sticking with cedric because of his talent level and the district he played in. and then his sheer numbers. he played 3 years at the varsity level. and ran for more than 8000 yrds. id say one mediocre freshman year of 1000-1500 yrds would have put him just behind ken hall. but cedric benson would have run flat over the players that were playing in ken halls time.

[Danger in Iraq]

oh and another name that isnt on the list that probably should be is jeff adkins. he played for a school in the fort worth area. (particulars have slipped my mind) some one could probably help me out. then went on to play at smu. and another is kevin frye. he played for haltom in 86-88 then went on to tcu where he blew out his knee his freshman year running back a kick off.

[Nedfan]

I voted for Earl Campbell awhile back, but I just wanted to point out that it does not matter when you played the game, the size and speed of the other players, or anything else. You played when it was your turn, and if you had an advantage, well, isn't that what it's all about? Jim Brown played at about 230 lbs. which is as big as some linemen back then. So what? In football, you have to tackle the guy with the ball. He was that guy.

Someone who will be on this list in the future, is playing for UT right now. His name is Jamaal Charles. Most people haven't seen enough of him to be impressed, but he will get your attention soon.

[BigArab]

Well big arab there is some debate there but i still stand by the theory you cant compare era's with the talent level where it is today these kids in high school now could have played in the nfl in the 50 and 60 and maybe the 70's and dominated.  im talking players are 510- 6'3 and between 210 and 270 lbs and running 4.3- 4.5 40's now the question was stated as who is the best running back in texas high school history.  with the talent level the way it is now none of those others can even come close to comparing to the talent level as cedric.  but if we are going by numbers.  one would have to vote for ken hall.  i mean how many times did earl campbell rush for 520 yards in a quarter.  much less more than 11,000 in a career.  i am just sticking with cedric because of his talent level and the district he played in.  and then his sheer numbers.  he played 3 years at the varsity level.  and ran for more than 8000 yrds.  id say one mediocre freshman year of 1000-1500 yrds would have put him just behind ken hall.  but cedric benson would have run flat over the players that were playing in ken halls time.

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True true. The crazy thing is with people like him and Ricky Williams, I don`t think we`ve even seen them play their hardest or try their hardest. There are backs out there like Tiki Barber who give it all every play and is still a good back. Then, you think of someone like Ricky or Cedric who kind of coast by and are still head and shoulders above everyone else. The day that you see one of those guys give his all in a game is the day you see records broken.

[Danger in Iraq]

I voted for Earl Campbell awhile back, but I just wanted to point out that it does not matter when you played the game, the size and speed of the other players, or anything else. You played when it was your turn, and if you had an advantage, well, isn't that what it's all about? Jim Brown played at about 230 lbs. which is as big as some linemen back then. So what? In football, you have to tackle the guy with the ball. He was that guy.

Someone who will be on this list in the future, is playing for UT right now. His name is Jamaal Charles. Most people haven't seen enough of him to be impressed, but he will get your attention soon.


you are talking about jamal charles being one of the backs that is gonna do something at ut. ive got news for you brother. they have 4 freshmen backs that are very good and the one that is gonna put up the numbers is henry melton. he came out of grapevine. he is 6'03 270 lbs and runs somewhere in the 4.5 range in the 40. he had 135 yards in uts first game and he will be ceds predicesor. jamaal charles will get spot carries and clean up yrds. watch henry melton he is in the same mold as a heisman winner. some may remember. ron dayne.

[yallerjacket]

  watch henry melton he is in the same mold as a heisman winner.  some may remember.  ron dayne.

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Well, if he isn't any better than Dayne, their offensive line better be great, like Wisconsin's was for their fat boy.

[Kilgore4sho]

I voted for Earl Campbell awhile back, but I just wanted to point out that it does not matter when you played the game, the size and speed of the other players, or anything else. You played when it was your turn, and if you had an advantage, well, isn't that what it's all about? Jim Brown played at about 230 lbs. which is as big as some linemen back then. So what? In football, you have to tackle the guy with the ball. He was that guy. 

Someone who will be on this list in the future, is playing for UT right now. His name is Jamaal Charles. Most people haven't seen enough of him to be impressed, but he will get your attention soon.
you are talking about jamal charles being one of the backs that is gonna do something at ut.  ive got news for you brother.  they have 4 freshmen backs that are very good and the one that is gonna put up the numbers is henry melton.  he came out of grapevine.  he is 6'03 270 lbs and runs somewhere in the 4.5 range in the 40.  he had 135 yards in uts first game and he will be ceds predicesor.  jamaal charles will get spot carries and clean up yrds.  watch henry melton he is in the same mold as a heisman winner.  some may remember.  ron dayne.

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Melton could not even lower his shoulder and run over a corner last night when UT needed a touchdown . He tried to dive and didn't make it.If you weigh 270 , why dive ? Charles looked way better than Melton. Still , he is not as good as Adrian Peterson , as he claims. But he definately looked like the best UT runner last night . I see a bright future for him at UT.

[maximilian1212]

Melton could not even lower his shoulder and run over a corner last night when UT needed a touchdown . He tried to dive and didn't make it.If you weigh 270 , why dive ? Charles looked way better than Melton. Still , he is not as good as Adrian Peterson , as he claims. But he definately looked like the best UT runner last night . I see a bright future for him at UT.

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The best UT running back is Ramonce Taylor but he did not get any carries because they are converting him to receiver, I think that is a big mistake. Also, Melton did score because the Goaline extends to infinity and the ball crossed it while it was in his possession

[Nedfan]

I voted for Earl Campbell awhile back, but I just wanted to point out that it does not matter when you played the game, the size and speed of the other players, or anything else. You played when it was your turn, and if you had an advantage, well, isn't that what it's all about? Jim Brown played at about 230 lbs. which is as big as some linemen back then. So what? In football, you have to tackle the guy with the ball. He was that guy. 

Someone who will be on this list in the future, is playing for UT right now. His name is Jamaal Charles. Most people haven't seen enough of him to be impressed, but he will get your attention soon.
you are talking about jamal charles being one of the backs that is gonna do something at ut.  ive got news for you brother.  they have 4 freshmen backs that are very good and the one that is gonna put up the numbers is henry melton.  he came out of grapevine.  he is 6'03 270 lbs and runs somewhere in the 4.5 range in the 40.  he had 135 yards in uts first game and he will be ceds predicesor.  jamaal charles will get spot carries and clean up yrds.  watch henry melton he is in the same mold as a heisman winner.  some may remember.  ron dayne.

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I'm biased for Charles because he played his high school ball 5 miles from where I live. I also feel sorry for a kid with so much talent having to play on the same team with Vince Young. Texas will push for Young to get (the curse) Heisman, so his carries will stay up there. I like Young touching the ball every play and I am amazed at what he can do, but it sure makes it tough for a freshman RB to show his stuff with only 10 carries. Take some pressure off Young and let someone else carry the load. Young can still get the Heisman (I really don't care if he does, that's just me). This is in no way slighting Young. I think he is the best athlete in the country already. I just try viewing it from Jamaal's standpoint. All in all, I just want to win every week. It doesn't matter who is responsible.

[maximilian1212]

I'm biased for Charles because he played his high school ball 5 miles from where I live. I also feel sorry for a kid with so much talent having to play on the same team with Vince Young. Texas will push for Young to get (the curse) Heisman, so his carries will stay up there. I like Young touching the ball every play and I am amazed at what he can do, but it sure makes it tough for a freshman RB to show his stuff with only 10 carries. Take some pressure off Young and let someone else carry the load. Young can still get the Heisman (I really don't care if he does, that's just me). This is in no way slighting Young. I think he is the best athlete in the country already. I just try viewing it from Jamaal's standpoint. All in all, I just want to win every week. It doesn't matter who is responsible.

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this game was not normal and with selvin young out I think that Jamaal will get about 15-20 carries a game

[BigArab]

Is Selvin injured AGAIN?

[yallerjacket]

The best UT running back is Ramonce Taylor but he did not get any carries because they are converting him to receiver, I think that is a big mistake.  Also, Melton did score because the Goaline extends to infinity and the ball crossed it while it was in his possession

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But if you dive out of bounds and the ball never crosses the line IN BOUNDS it is not a touchdown.

[maximilian1212]

But if you dive out of bounds and the ball never crosses the line IN BOUNDS it is not a touchdown.

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It does not need to cross the line in bounds

NCAA Rulebook Section 11 Article 1

Each goal line is part of a vertical plane separating an endzone from the field of play when the ball is touched or is in player possession. The plane extends beyond the sidelines. A team's goal line is that which it is defending.

Section 2 Article 1.
A touchdown shall be scored when:

a. A runner advancing from the field of play is legally in possession of a live ball when it penetrates the opponent's goal line (plane)

[Zenkei182006]

Doesn't need to cross the touchdown line in bounds, that is about the dmbest thing I have heard from anyone on here before, honestly, do some of you even listen to what is coming out of your mouth? You just proved your last statement that it doesn't have to be in bounds wrong, by the part that says live ball, its not live anymore when its out of bounds.

[maximilian1212]

Doesn't need to cross the touchdown line in bounds, that is about the dmbest thing I have heard from anyone on here before, honestly, do some of you even listen to what is coming out of your mouth?  You just proved your last statement that it doesn't have to be in bounds wrong, by the part that says live ball, its not live anymore when its out of bounds.

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he is not technically out of bounds until he lands out of bounds. The ball crossed the line while in his possession.

[Nedfan]

The best camera angle to view if he broke the plane would be from one suspended directly over the pylon. I think he broke the plane but I can't be positive.

[Kilgore4sho]

All of this debate about if it was a touchdown or not wouldn't even be nessecary if Melton had just LOWERED HIS SHOULDER AND RUN OVER THE CORNER like a 275 lb back should do. When you are a big back you have to bring the pain with every carry. And when yo only get 2 carries you have to make the most of them . But he is young and I am sure that next time he will. His teammates have probably been clowning him about it all week. I am sure he will run over someone in the next game.

[Azo]

Doak Walker

[JPLobos83]

Edwin Simmon was one of the top backs to come out of texas. Because of the way he mismanage his college career, most people will only remember that.