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[viking4life]

With this information, I will repeat the question I have posted on other threads:

Should there be a separate national rankings for private and public schools?

YES!!!! I find it amazing that any public school could be in the top ten with all that gos on at these private schools.

Anyways, a national high school ranking can not be accurate cause there is no possible way for every team that could be in there to be seen and covered. I dont go by these national polls at all.

[Commissioner]

With this information, I will repeat the question I have posted on other threads:

Should there be a separate national rankings for private and public schools?

there is a seperation between Public and Private and a combo:

PrepNation.com

[HebronHawk]

I believe that Jesuit's UIL attendance zone is the same as WT White's.

[Super B]

Undaunted De La Salle marches on TV audience watches streak reach 145 wins

By Joe Stiglich
CONTRA COSTA TIMES

PLEASANT HILL - The stage keeps getting bigger. The lights keep getting brighter.

It doesn't make a bit of difference to the De La Salle High School football team.

Before an overflow crowd of more than 7,500 at Diablo Valley College, not to mention a nationwide audience watching live on ESPN2, the Spartans dismantled Evangel Christian Academy-Shreveport (La.) 27-10 on Friday, notching consecutive win No. 145 and showing fans around the country why they've dominated the prep football landscape over the past 12 years.

"I think we just showed what De La Salle is all about," Spartans linebacker Parker Hanks said. "This was for all the past players and everybody who passed through the program."

It was a much more dominant victory than the scoreboard indicated, though it didn't start out that way.

After Evangel (4-3) recovered a muffed punt by Cameron Colvin on the Spartans 42-yard line, Jared Jennings' 22-yard field goal gave the Eagles a 3-0 lead at 6:46 of the first quarter.

It was the first time De La Salle (7-0) trailed in a game since Ygnacio Valley forged a 7-6 lead in the second quarter on Oct. 27, 2000.

No matter.

The Spartans answered with a crisp 78-yard touchdown drive and took control of the game.

"It was nothing big," said Colvin, who caught six passes for 75 yards after his early miscue. "We know we can put points on anybody. We didn't feel any pressure at all being behind 3-0."

The Spartans leaned on an overpowering running game and a clutch performance from backup quarterback Anthony Gutierrez, who came on after starter Kevin Lopina left in the second quarter with a knee injury.

The Spartans outgained Evangel 388-259 in total yardage but had a drastic 245-106 advantage in the first half, when they took a 19-3 lead.

After the Eagles' early field goal, De La Salle's defense put the clamps on Evangel's unorthodox shotgun attack, which relies greatly on trickery and deceptive ballhandling.

The Spartans, who have allowed just four touchdowns all season, surrendered just five first downs in the first half.

By the middle of the third quarter, those watching on television probably went searching for "MacGyver" re-runs.

"Their defensive line is the best I've ever seen," Evangel running back Jacob Hester said. "Their linebackers were reading everything to the corners and beat us there. The speed and strength those guys have is incredible."

Terrance Kelly (15 carries, 106 yards) scored on touchdown runs of 11 and 5 yards to give De La Salle a 13-3 lead.

Evangel then moved the ball into Spartans territory with time winding down in the second quarter when quarterback Denny Duron made a critical error.

With De La Salle's Kyle Balough bearing down on him, Duron uncorked an ill-advised pass that Mike Dominguez intercepted.

Gutierrez, a junior who completed his final eight passes and finished with 134 yards, threw a strike to Alex Stroud on a slant pattern for an 18-yard touchdown pass and 19-3 lead with 52.9 seconds left in the second.

Gutierrez went right back to work on De La Salle's first possession of the third quarter, hitting a wide-open Colvin on a post pattern for a 28-yard gain that set up Gutierrez's 1-yard scoring run. Gutierrez ran in the two-point conversion for a 27-3 lead.

Balough said he and his teammates fed off the electricity in the crowd and the ESPN cameras.

"It gets me juiced," he said. "This is the greatest thing in the world."

[da wiz]

would love to get them in texas to play a couple of games

lufkin, carroll,ennis,lamar, any of these teams,,,,,,,,

[LHSnumber2]

The only team that could compete with De La Salle this year from Texas would be North Shore.I think North Shore could beat them but all the other schools like Lufkin and Carrol and Katy couldn't compete.North Shorewas the best team in Texas this year.I would love to see De La Salle come down here and play NS.

[LION KING]

There are a number of 5A and 4A top texas teams that could compete and defeat DLS. In California,they do like their football, but from top to bottom,it's nowhere like Texas, the overall competition is not near as good as Texas, why do you think all the top H.S. players in CA want to go to DLS, it's because they're THE only program in CA that wins consistantly, can't say that about Texas because there are to many good and great football players, lots of great schools with winning traditions, it's just bigger and better in TEXAS !!!.

[elvis]

The only team that could compete with De La Salle this year from Texas would be North Shore.I think North Shore could beat them but all the other schools like Lufkin and Carrol and Katy couldn't compete.North Shorewas the best team in Texas this year.I would love to see De La Salle come down here and play NS.

LHSnumber2 - I too would like to see some Texas team(s) step up and challenge DLS. I am, quite frankly, very tired of posters who claim that a half-dozen teams from [enter state here] would beat DLS. I DO appreciate your tone, which is to suggest which teams can compete with DLS. While I am confident that DLS would win, that's beside the point. It would have to be proven on the field. I would suggest that NS offer a home / home match, starting in Calif.

Lion King - to suggest that all the top CA players want to go to DLS is ridiculous. DLS doesn't even get the best talent in their immediate area, let alone the entire state of Calif. The key to DLS is not talent, it is coaching. Coach Lad was the first coach inducted into the NFL High School Hall of Fame for reason.

To suggest that there are a number of teams in Texas that would beat DLS is also quite funny. I suggest you contact EVERY national poll, who says that you are uninformed. Talk is cheap. Suggest these TX schools step up to the plate, just as St. Louis, ECA, Long Beach Poly, Mater Dei, etc did.

[Super B]

DLS vs. Texas High Schools by the #'s:

3 - number of NFL players DLS has currently

5 - number of NFL players DLS has alltime

5 - number of NFL players Lake Highlands (Texas) has currently (Lake Highlands is not even very good really)

17 - margin of victory for Longview (Texas) vs. 2003 DLS opponent ECA (Evangel Christian Academy, Louisiana) Longview 43, ECA 26 note: ECA was home team & Longview went on to lose in the first round of the playoffs. You see, they played Texas teams

17 - margin of victory for DLS vs. ECA (DLS 27, ECA 10) note: ECA was the road team

151 - number of wins DLS has during "the streak"

0 - number of times DLS has played a team from Texas during "the streak"

0 - number of times DLS has played a team from Texas alltime

Did I mentioned DLS has never played a Texas team, ever? In Texas, we fear no one. We also don't feel we have to prove ourselves to anyone either.

Edited by Super B, 14 February 2004 - 03:52 PM.

[LoboFan07]

All I got to say from Longview to DSL...Bring em on!!

[PITarponFan]

I would love to watch a team from Texas destroy DLS and end "The Streak". I know for darn sure GP North Shore would have done a darn good job of beating DLS this past season.

For THIS coming season......hmm.......Katy maybe? Longview? Or why not GP North Shore? REGARDLESS, if a Texas team played DLS, I would make every effort to be at the game, proudly waving the Texas flag in the DLS fans' faces.

[elvis]

DLS vs. Texas High Schools by the #'s:

3 - number of NFL players DLS has currently

5 - number of NFL players DLS has alltime

5 - number of NFL players Lake Highlands (Texas) has currently (Lake Highlands is not even very good really)

You don't get it - DLS is not dependent upon talent who will be in the NFL someday. 20% of USC's National Championship team went o-fer against DLS in high school. DLS linemen at 6'1" 215 ALWAYS dominate future NFL linemen who are 40-80 lbs heavier. It IS the system & coaching, not recruiting, or anything else. Superior coaching and execution at the high school level win over "future NFLers" every day at DLS. DLS never trailed, and dominated Long Beach Poly in a home/home series. LBP has put more players in the NFL than any other high school in the nation.

17 - margin of victory for Longview (Texas) vs. 2003 DLS opponent ECA (Evangel Christian Academy, Louisiana) Longview 43, ECA 26 note: ECA was home team & Longview went on to lose in the first round of the playoffs. You see, they played Texas teams


17 - margin of victory for DLS vs. ECA (DLS 27, ECA 10) note: ECA was the road team

DLS dominated from the get go, sat on the clock in the 2nd half, and took a knee for the final 1:45 at the 1 yard line. ECA stated that they were the best team they had ever faced.


151 - number of wins DLS has during "the streak"
5 - number of UNANIMOUS National Championships DLS has during the streak.
4 - number of consecutive national championships DLS has during the streak.

0 - number of times DLS has played a team from Texas during "the streak"
0 - number of wins Texas teams have vs. DLS during the streak.

0 - number of times DLS has played a team from Texas alltime
0 - number of times Texas teams have played DLS alltime.

Did I mentioned DLS has never played a Texas team, ever? In Texas, we fear no one. We also don't feel we have to prove ourselves to anyone either.
Never up, never in. You will never win if you don't get on the field. Looks like your excuses are well prepared.

DLS has played teams from Hawaii to Louisiana, from San Diego to Seattle (04).
If you're so good, challenge them & end the streak. Until then, they will continue to be the unanimous #1 in the nation. At least Lobofan says Bring 'em on! That's what DLS loves a challenge - and they haven't missed in 12 years.

Super B - big hat, no cattle.

[Commissioner]

elvis are you the only one from California with the balls to come on this board and debate this? IF NOT... TELL THEM TO JUST BRING IT!

[Commissioner]

in fact if you ask me, De La Salle is too much of a chicken to ask for competeion and travel to Texas for it.

[warlok]

Louisiana, California and several other states, that are known as strong football states, are sheltered by the rules they play under. They do not use NCAA rules like we do in Texas, and their more restrictive rules governing legal blocks, etc..., cause problems for Texas teams that venture out of state to play. Once our kids rattled, it changes the tone of the game because, even though they aren't from Texas, the out-of-state teams can still run, jump, pass, catch and kick.

When Lee got their heads handed to them in West Monroe, LA, there were several factors that caused Lee to fold up like a lawn chair. One was the fact that we see less than 4 inches of rain in an entire month in our "rainy season" and 4" of rain fell during the day of the game, causing the game to be delayed for nearly two hours because the grass field was under water. Now, keep in mind that Lee had been on busses for more than 8 hours per day for two days straight (including game day) and now had to wait for two more hours for kick-off and did not have long enough cleats for the field conditions that awaited them. They then get flagged for several "illegal blocks" (legal in Texas) and couldn't figure out what constituted legal and illegal. Then they were also playing against offensive and defensive lines comprised of 19-20 year olds (the cut-off in LA is 19 as opposed to our 18 and you can petition special circumstances up to 20 as opposed to 19 in Texas). Needless to say, not even Cedric Benson was enough to overcome it all (although he did have a really nice 80 yd TD run), as Lee got murdered 36-8. West Monroe then backed out of the second year of their contract, with Lee, to boot and refused to play them again (almost all of their starters graduated that year and it was their last state title in LA).

Get 'em on home soil, boys. Get 'em on home soil.

[viking4life]

Place DLS in a tough 5A district in Texas and see how good they really are.

Elvis, you mention that National championship crap. That is no way to judge a team by. It is IMPOSSIBLE to have a national high school poll be accurate enough to base any argument on. Then you say yall have only 5 players in or have been in the NFl, the fact is that yall had 15 D-1 players on your 2003 roster, and if that is not bieng loaded with talent, I have no clue what is. A team that lossed in the first eound of the Texas players dominated them jsut as much as yall did. So I dont get your point about them either.

My Arlington Lamar team has beaten the top teams from Florida( game was in Florida) and Colorado ( we were not even ranked high in Texas that year), and I say bring it DLS, we will take you.
817-459-8300, ask for Coach Peach.

Edited by viking4life, 14 February 2004 - 08:50 PM.

[viking4life]

I would love to watch a team from Texas destroy DLS and end "The Streak". I know for darn sure GP North Shore would have done a darn good job of beating DLS this past season.

I agree 100%. North shore, Southlake Carrol, Denton Ryan, LaMarqueArlington Lamar, The Woodlands, Tyler Lee, I bet all these teams could beat them, not to mention the many other Texas teams I think could beat DLS.

[atalltexan]

I would love to watch a team from Texas destroy DLS and end "The Streak".  I know for darn sure GP North Shore would have done a darn good job of beating DLS this past season.

I agree 100%. North shore, Southlake Carrol, Denton Ryan, LaMarqueArlington Lamar, The Woodlands, Tyler Lee, I bet all these teams could beat them, not to mention the many other Texas teams I think could beat DLS.

Even without offering scholarships !

[Commissioner]

in fact.. here is a list of their games in the so called "streak"

1992
Spartans 34 Merced 14
Spartans 54 Riordon 0
Spartans 41 Fairfield 20
Spartans 48 Ygnacio Valley 0
Spartans 44 Pittsburg 7
Spartans 64 Berkeley 6
Spartans 43 El Cerrito 0
Spartans 59 Clayton Valley 6
Spartans 49 Antioch 14
Spartans 62 Pinole Valley 12
Spartans 35 Montgomery 7
Spartans 55 James Logan 20
Spartans 41 Pittsburg 6

1993
Spartans 58 Alhambra 13
Spartans 46 Riordon 6
Spartans 53 Fairfield 13
Spartans 63 Antioch 14
Spartans 69 Berkeley 0
Spartans 26 Pittsburg 21
Spartans 55 Msn. San Jose 13
Spartans 56 Monte Vista 7
Spartans 41 Liberty 0
Spartans 47 Pinole Valley 6
Spartans 55 American 6
Spartans 50 Washington 7
Spartans 46 Pinole Valley 14

1994
Spartans 45 Alhambra 6
Spartans 55 Tracy 19
Spartans 42 St. Mary's 0
Spartans 35 Antioch 21
Spartans 35 Berkeley 0
Spartans 55 Pittsburg 26
Spartans 60 Msn. San Jose 0
Spartans 55 Monte Vista 15
Spartans 45 Liberty 14
Spartans 47 Pinole Valley 0
Spartans 35 Eureka 6
Spartans 45 Antioch 8
Spartans 35 James Logan 0

1995
Spartans 35 R BuenaVista 13
Spartans 68 Tracy 14
Spartans 35 St. Mary's 25
Spartans 28 Berkeley 0
Spartans 27 Pittsburg 7
Spartans 49 Antioch 20
Spartans 67 Pinole Valley 13
Spartans 55 Liberty 0
Spartans 41 James Logan 8
Spartans 56 Monte Vista 0
Spartans 68 Montgomery 14
Spartans 56 Berkeley 31
Spartans 35 Pittsburg 14

1996
Spartans 36 R Buena Vista 19
Spartans 55 Ygnacio Valley 0
Spartans 64 College Park 0
Spartans 28 Skyline 0
Spartans 55 Liberty 14
Spartans 42 Antioch 0
Spartans 75 Clayton Valley 0
Spartans 36 Pittsburg 7
Spartans 58 Pinole Valley 6
Spartans 60 Northgate 0
Spartans 50 Berkeley 0
Spartans 35 Pittsburg 7

1997
Spartans 48 Nevada Union 14
Spartans 62 Ygnacio Valley 7
Spartans 66 Clayton Valley 10
Spartans 62 Deer Valley 13
Spartans 53 Northgate 8
Spartans 44 Antioch 17
Spartans 53 Liberty 7
Spartans 55 Pittsburg 7
Spartans 56 College Park 0
Spartans 28 Pinole Valley 6
Spartans 56 Pittsburg 0
Spartans 35 James Logan 15

1998
Spartans 48 Nevada Union 12
Spartans 48 Bakersfield 20
Spartans 28 Mater Dei 21
Spartans 21 St. Francis 0
Spartans 41 Skyline 7
Spartans 60 Pittsburg 12
Spartans 70 Northgate 0
Spartans 61 Liberty 23
Spartans 45 Clayton Valley 7
Spartans 42 Pinole Valley 0
Spartans 48 Pittsburg 14
Spartans 55 Castro Valley 13

1999
Spartans 57 Richmond 6
Spartans 35 Bakersfield 8
Spartans 42 Mater Dei 0
Spartans 35 St. Francis 7
Spartans 37 Skyline 0
Spartans 71 Ygnacio Valley 32
Spartans 48 Antioch 9
Spartans 55 Clayton Valley 7
Spartans 61 Pittsburg 14
Spartans 60 College Park 12
Spartans 55 Castro Valley 21
Spartans 38 San Leandro 14

2000
Spartans 30 Buchanan 24
Spartans 49 Marin Catholic 7
Spartans 31 Mater Dei 28
Spartans 42 St. Francis 7
Spartans 56 Bishop Amat 6
Spartans 55 Freedom 7
Spartans 64 Clayton Valley 21
Spartans 35 Ygnacio Valley 7
Spartans 37 Pittsburg 14
Spartans 41 Deer Valley 10
Spartans 68 San Ramon Valley 0
Spartans 34 Castro Valley 10
Spartans 49 San Leandro 13

2001
Spartans 56 Buchanan 14
Spartans 34 Mater Dei 6
Spartans 42 St. Francis 0
Spartans 29 LB Poly 15
Spartans 42 Pittsburg 14
Spartans 64 Antioch 0
Spartans 65 Liberty 0
Spartans 31 Ygnacio Valley 13
Spartans 57 Deer Valley 6
Spartans 54 Washington 15
Spartans 45 James Logan 0
Spartans 48 San Leandro 13

2002
Spartans 24 Archbishop Mitty 0
Spartans 31 St. Louis, Hawaii 21
Spartans 14 St. Francis 0
Spartans 56 La Costa Canyon 27
Spartans 28 LB Poly 7
Spartans 48 Liberty 0
Spartans 46 Freedom 7
Spartans 65 Pittsburg 6
Spartans 42 Clayton Valley 0
Spartans 35 Ygnacio Valley 0
Spartans 62 Antioch 13
Spartans 47 Hayward 7
Spartans 42 San Leandro 14

2003
Spartans 47 Archbishop Mitty 0
Spartans 35 Palma-Salinas 0
Spartans 39 St. Francis 8
Spartans 48 Foothill 0
Spartans 28 La Costa Canyon 7
Spartans 63 Freedom 7
Spartans 27 Evangel Christian 10
Spartans 47 Deer Valley 0
Spartans 26 Pittsburg 0
Spartans 35 Ygnacio Valley 13
Spartans 49 Castro Valley 7
Spartans 48 Monte Vista 13
Spartans 39 Pittsburg 0

And might point out.... none were Texas teams
I wont argue with the 1996 team.. a bunch of California (a state where they dont have a true state champion) cream puffs but impressive. Although I am not impressed with the streak itself.

[Commissioner]

elvis..
like I said, bring your California friends in this debate... that is.. if they have the BALLS to do it