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[CHIEF OSCEOLA]

HOW DID YOU KNOW I WOULD APOLOGIZE??? HECK I MIGHT NOT......OH WELL I BELIEVE I WILL.....MAYBE I GOT MY WIRES MIXED UP.......SORRY LANCER

[Lancer1997]

HOW DID YOU KNOW I WOULD APOLOGIZE??? HECK I MIGHT NOT......OH WELL I BELIEVE I WILL.....MAYBE I GOT MY WIRES MIXED UP.......SORRY LANCER

No worries. It is actually kind of funny though. I do get mistook for a DLS supporter every now and again.

My handle "Lancer" refers to my alma mater and my true allegiance The Saint Franics Lancers of Mountain View, CA. We are a very accomplished school in football and have more section titles within our section to our credit than anybody else. We can claim to have held DLS to their 2 lowest point toals during the Streak (21, and 14 respectively) and can claim to be one of four teams to beat them in the last 21 years (we won 18-16 in 1989).

Every year we play them I sit on our sidelines hoping we beat DLS. There are no mixed emotions there, I root for them to lose to us. Likewise when DLS plays plays anyone within our Catholic league I root for them over DLS as well. Next year Valley Christian will be on DLS's schedule. (VC produced the #1 DE recruit in the nation last year Jeff Schweiger going to USC) I will root for VC. in 2005 Serra joins the schedule of DLS and Serra's coach Patrick Walsh was a RB on the team that started The Streak of DLS and he is often considered one of the major reasons the DLS program reached such an elite level, becuase of his attitude after the last DLS loss.

So I do root for DLS to lose, but if they play out anyone outside of my league I root for them, especially against out of state teams. I just find myself defending them more often than not from what I perceive baseless claims, and that may lead some to feel I am a "supporter" or bandwagon jumper or whatever, but I assure you I am not, just searching for facts thats all...

And hopefully you guys will kick Indy's

[PrepNation]

Jamie, I know this is what you do, & I don't have a problem with you having an opinion regardless of whether I agree or disagree with you. Your logic makes sense to me. My point is that the #1 team in the Nation cannot be proven or disproven. So we actually agree. Unless all teams play each other, which of course is impossible, there is no way you can say Team A is better than Team B. It's kinda like the BcS.

Polls are fun to debate about. This entire thread would probably not be here if not for National HS football polls.

DLS (from what I remember) did not start truly dominating the polls until they broke the National consecutive victories record. People didn't really talk much about them until the year or so leading up to the record breaking game. Generally, I agree that until they are beaten they should be #1, however, I do think that if a really dominant team comes along in a given year that plays a tougher schedule and dominates in the same fashion (sound familiar?), that other team should not be an afterthought to DLS simply because of DLS' streak.

Let me make one thing perfectly clear though. The purpose of the above post was not to single you out & "pick on you". I was just making the point that DLS stays number 1 at least in part because of the streak.

No doubt about it, Super B. There wouldn't be much reason to have national polls if people were interested in discussing them. :-)

Here is where I disagree with your last point ... You say when a truly dominant team comes along they should be given consideration for dethroning DLS. My response is this:

1) When a team that plays a great schedule has a dominant season (like North Shore last year) they are given consideration when that happens. North Shore was not an afterthought last year. DLS won the final No. 1 spot on its own merits though.
2) You cannot point to me a team much more dominant than DLS. They don't just squeak out wins you know ... I know the schedule issue has been debated to death on this and other boards for a few years now. But as Lancerfan has pointed out, DLS has dispatched with more athletically talented (in terms of number Division 1A recruits) and nationally ranked teams in each of its last six seasons -- and not just beaten these teams, but in most cases dominated these teams on all facets of the game, defense, offense and special teams.

And so it's true we can never say for sure who was better last season -- DLS or North Shore -- I can point to DLS's track record and without any hesitation say that they have earned that No. 1 spot each year they have received it.

[Super B]

That's cool. DLS has certainly earned respect from me & many others on this board. Their track record cannot be argued.

Midland Lee in the Cedric Benson years, correct me if I am wrong, went undefeated in 1999 & was the last team to unseat DLS to finish #1 in the Final poll of the season (not sure about your poll). They won the mythical national title that year.

So what is the difference between Midland Lee & North Shore?

[Lancer1997]

I know in 1999 ECA won the USA Today title, with Brock Berlin and all. Ironically 1999 was DLS' best team ever.

[steeler 01]

that would have been a great war!

i'd have to disagree.it would not have been a war, to stay within 2 touchdowns of the 99 dls team would have been an accomplishment.there offense had everything as did there defense.

[Lancer1997]

speaking of offense check the national record books for eca's offense from 99. but iguess you know something that the usa today sports writers dont? maybe you should make the poll .

I know the ECA team was loaded. However, how loaded is the question when compared to the DLS team which featured this years #17 NFL draft pick DJ Williams, 2nd team All SEC as a soph LB Kevin Simon on the same team + this coming seasons Michigan Starting QB in Matt Gutierrez.

I dont know. I think one thing is for sure. You had virtually the same coaching staff in 1999 that you had in 2003 minus Booty, so I can say this much, Lad and Terry would have outcoached the ECA coaches in 1999. Now would that have been enough? My opinion is that the DLS team was flat out loaded with NFL talent probably three from that team. I just dont see how they would have lost. Now ECA fans probably feel the same way. It doesnt matter to me either way though its not like ECA was chump team in 1999, so if some people feel they are better then thats fine with me. Its like trying to argue who is better between Emmitt Smith, Barry Sanders, Jim Brown, Gayle Sayers et al...Its not like they picked a team that didnt deserve it.

My personal opinion is DLS would have won by 14, a la the Poly game 28-14 or thereabouts. But my opinion is just an opinion, same as the people who do the polls. I just find it ironic that DLS did not win the title in their "best team ever" year. I find it amusing

[steeler 01]

speaking of offense check the national record books for eca's offense from 99. but iguess you know something that the usa today sports writers dont? maybe you should make the poll .

just because eca put up big time numbers in 99 does not mean they would have done it to dls.dls would have dominated the los and with kevin simon and dj williams at lb they would have shut everything else down on defense.to think eca would have beat dls in the trenches is crazy.if you don't win the trenches you can't win the game.you can't throw if you have no time.brock berlin would have crumbled under the pressure just like he does at miami.the only stat that would have been big for brock if they had played would have been his ints.

[steeler 01]

speaking of offense check the national record books for eca's offense from 99. but iguess you know something that the usa today sports writers dont? maybe you should make the poll .

I know the ECA team was loaded. However, how loaded is the question when compared to the DLS team which featured this years #17 NFL draft pick DJ Williams, 2nd team All SEC as a soph LB Kevin Simon on the same team + this coming seasons Michigan Starting QB in Matt Gutierrez.

I dont know. I think one thing is for sure. You had virtually the same coaching staff in 1999 that you had in 2003 minus Booty, so I can say this much, Lad and Terry would have outcoached the ECA coaches in 1999. Now would that have been enough? My opinion is that the DLS team was flat out loaded with NFL talent probably three from that team. I just dont see how they would have lost. Now ECA fans probably feel the same way. It doesnt matter to me either way though its not like ECA was chump team in 1999, so if some people feel they are better then thats fine with me. Its like trying to argue who is better between Emmitt Smith, Barry Sanders, Jim Brown, Gayle Sayers et al...Its not like they picked a team that didnt deserve it.

My personal opinion is DLS would have won by 14, a la the Poly game 28-14 or thereabouts. But my opinion is just an opinion, same as the people who do the polls. I just find it ironic that DLS did not win the title in their "best team ever" year. I find it amusing

lancer demetrius williams and tosh tupoi might go to the nfl to making that a possible 5 players.

[Lancer1997]

speaking of offense check the national record books for eca's offense from 99. but iguess you know something that the usa today sports writers dont? maybe you should make the poll .

just because eca put up big time numbers in 99 does not mean they would have done it to dls.dls would have dominated the los and with kevin simon and dj williams at lb they would have shut everything else down on defense.to think eca would have beat dls in the trenches is crazy.if you don't win the trenches you can't win the game.you can't throw if you have no time.brock berlin would have crumbled under the pressure just like he does at miami.the only stat that would have been big for brock if they had played would have been his ints.

One thing is for sure steeler if you read my post right above yours. That is that Lad and Terry outcoached ECA in 2003, and would have done it in 1999 as well. With that in mind DLS dominated the LOS in 2003, and likewise would have in 1999. So DLS would have scored at will with Simon and DJ doubling as Fullbacks. However Berlin might have gotten a few long passes off, remember DJ and Kevin only can gaurd the interior, not deep to the outside. I dont see ECA winning that game, but ECA was a great team 1999.

[Lancer1997]

I should have said 3 first round draft picks possibly. thats what I meant, not necessarily just making it to the NFL. Matt Gutierrez, Kevin Simon, and DJ is already there.

[steeler 01]

speaking of offense check the national record books for eca's offense from 99. but iguess you know something that the usa today sports writers dont? maybe you should make the poll .

just because eca put up big time numbers in 99 does not mean they would have done it to dls.dls would have dominated the los and with kevin simon and dj williams at lb they would have shut everything else down on defense.to think eca would have beat dls in the trenches is crazy.if you don't win the trenches you can't win the game.you can't throw if you have no time.brock berlin would have crumbled under the pressure just like he does at miami.the only stat that would have been big for brock if they had played would have been his ints.

One thing is for sure steeler if you read my post right above yours. That is that Lad and Terry outcoached ECA in 2003, and would have done it in 1999 as well. With that in mind DLS dominated the LOS in 2003, and likewise would have in 1999. So DLS would have scored at will with Simon and DJ doubling as Fullbacks. However Berlin might have gotten a few long passes off, remember DJ and Kevin only can gaurd the interior, not deep to the outside. I dont see ECA winning that game, but ECA was a great team 1999.

you have to have time to throw the long ball and the dls corners that year were very good.

[Lancer1997]

True steeler but...

Remember in high school Brock's confidence was sky high. He has lost that in college to this point, he may get it back but in HS he was dominant. So with that Id give ECA 2 TD's on the DLS D, but I dont see the ECA D stopping the DLS O on any drive. So one long 7 minute TD drive a Quarter and its 28-14. Jmo

[steeler 01]

evangel if you had said the 98 eca team could have beaten the 98 dls team i'd have said maybe,but the 99 team no way.just my opinion.

[steeler 01]

True steeler but...

Remember in high school Brock's confidence was sky high. He has lost that in college to this point, he may get it back but in HS he was dominant. So with that Id give ECA 2 TD's on the DLS D, but I dont see the ECA D stopping the DLS O on any drive. So one long 7 minute TD drive a Quarter and its 28-14. Jmo

that dls team did not have long drives they'd score in bunches because once dj or kevin got in the open field it was to the house.happened very often thanks to the o-line. if you stacked the line demetrius williams would go deep ask mater dei.true his confidence was sky high in high school.reason is because no one ever pressured him. he'd come out of the game with a clean jersey.it's alot easier to play qb if you have all day to throw.

[PrepNation]

I know in 1999 ECA won the USA Today title, with Brock Berlin and all. Ironically 1999 was DLS' best team ever.

Actually Midland Lee won the USA Today title in 1999 ... Evangel was national champ in our poll, The National Prep Poll. That was the last year any of the big 3 (NPP, Student Sports, USA Today) had anyone other than DLS at No. 1.

[Super B]

I know in 1999 ECA won the USA Today title, with Brock Berlin and all. Ironically 1999 was DLS' best team ever.

Actually Midland Lee won the USA Today title in 1999 ... Evangel was national champ in our poll, The National Prep Poll. That was the last year any of the big 3 (NPP, Student Sports, USA Today) had anyone other than DLS at No. 1.

OK, so the question is, what made '99 different than 2000-2003?