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#1 Super B

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Posted 15 April 2004 - 07:53 AM

I'm too beaten down to insert the emotions.

Back in October, I needed to get a new ISP, so I called around. The salesman at SBC Yahoo! DSL told me they could combine my billing for my home phone service, Cingular Wireless & SBC Yahoo! DSL, which would save me $. He told me I would get $3 off per month of SBC Yahoo! DSL for combining the billing, and basically told me I would end up saving about $25 a month by having all three services combined. Also said shiping & handling of the Modem would be free.

The billing still hasn't been combined. I was told this was because the DSL & home phone is in my name & the cell phones are in my wife's name. We really didn't want to bother switching our names around & felt that we weren't told of that & shouldn't have to bother with switching everything into one of our names. We are being cherged about $150.00 a month for all three services, when it was supposed to be about $125.00 a month.

We were charged for the modem. We eventually got them to waive that.

The main problem is that the DSL service barely works. When we try to get on, it doesn't come up immediately. It has gotten worse as time has gone by. We keep getting these pop-ups that say Work offline or Try again. Sometimes (& I do mean sometimes), it will work just fine for about 15-20 minutes (maybe), then I'll get the work offline or try again prompt. I'm glad I do most of my posting at work. If I click try again, it then loads the next page very slowly (2-5 minutes). I have called several times to tech support & talked to the computer geeks & I try this & that, but it has never resolved this problem.

After several attempts with a tech geek & no luck I decided they would not be able to fix it for me so I decided to cancel the service. Well, then they tell me there is a $200 cancelation fee cause I had signed a one year contract with them. The lady was nice enough to credit my account for two months for the DSL charge (which took two months to see the credit. That was back in January. Now, I assumed when she told me of the $200.00 cancelation fee that since the service they are providing did not work, they would waive the cancelation fee. No such luck.

The nice lady in January who credited my account for two months & told me about the $200.00 fee, told me they are required to send a technician to my house to try to get it fixed before they are able to waive a cancelation fee. Fine. The guy came out & said nothing is wrong (murphys law I suppose). So it did not get fixed. I was so pissed about that & beaten down by staying on hold for 30-40 before I even get through that I did not call back until yesterday. My fault.

This is where it really gets bad. Finally I called yesterday to once & for all cancel this service. I explained to the nice lady in Amarillo the situation. I advised her before explaining that she might want to put a manager/supervisor on. She wanted me to explain anyway. So I explained everything, beggining to end. She nicely reminded me of the $200.00 cancelation fee. I advised he that I was told previously that if a technician came out & couldn't fix it, they said they could at that point waive the cancelation fee. She said she could not. This conversation lasted for a while until finally...

...I explained to her that I pay $150.00 a month to SBC. I said I am already planning on getting rid of cingular once that contract expires in November. I said if I cannot get the $200.00 fee waived, that, "I will cancel my home phone service with SBC, which will cost your company about twice as much per month as I am paying for my DSL.". She tells me, just a moment so I can get a manager for you. She puts me on hold a couple of minutes, comes back & tells me she is not having any luck & that she knows how valuable my time is (this after being on the phone with her for 30 minutes), & would be happy to have a manager call me back. I tell her I have been down that road before & that they never call back when they say they are going to. She puts me on hold a few more times. Finally I agree to having a manager call back after she promises they will do so by 6P (this was yesterday).

I had a strong suspicion no one would call back. At 5:45P yesterday I called back & got the most incompetant (I thought at the time) agent. I explained that I was supposed to recieve a call back by 6P. She was very rude & unhelpful & had a I don't care type attitude. I hung up & called back. I got someone who at least was trying to fake wanting to help. She said call backs are usually 48-72 hours. I told her I was told by 6P today (yesterday). The agent who was in Corpus Christi said that was a different dept. I said, but I called the same telephone number. She said but you got Amarillo, which is a different department. I asked her what department I was speaking to her in Corpus. She says the DSL department. So I asked what department was Amarillo, she says she doesn't know. :doh: After speaking to her for 30 minutes (about 15 minutes after the office closed), I finally agree to have her manager call back at 4:30P today.

Every single time, without exception I have talked to SBC, they have lied to me about something. They apparently do not have a customer satisfaction gaurentee. I had asked the last person in Corpus if they were outsouced, or did she work for SBC. She said she works for SBC. I asked her if the Amarillo office was outsourced or it they worked for SBC, since apparently they have different policies & procedures at each call center. She said she did not know. I find that hard to believe.

I could go on & on, as you can see.

...to be continued.

Edited by Super B, 15 April 2004 - 08:10 AM.


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Posted 15 April 2004 - 08:13 AM

BTW, if anyone who reads this happens to work for SBC & has power/authority to help me, please PM me or e-mail me at Super_B2000@yahoo.com. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Posted 15 April 2004 - 01:08 PM

I can tell you this. I will not rest until I get what I want!

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Posted 15 April 2004 - 09:49 PM

Ma Bell sure has changed over the years. We're about to give Cingular the boot unless they come up with a REALLY good cell deal. :gee:

A member of our family is going through something similar and it might be with SBC also. She is the older sister of one of my wife's uncles (I don't know where that puts her in the immediante family tree, but........). Anyhow, the other day she was going ove a very similar list to what you've listed.

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Posted 16 April 2004 - 05:46 AM

I recieved a message on my answering machine yesterday at 10A. It was the manager calling me back from Amarillo. She was supposed to call back by 6P 4/14/04. I was promised she would call by 6P 4/14/04. She left a callback #. Of course by the time I got the message, their office had closed. She did leave a callback #, which I will call today when I get home.

The manager call I was promised from the agent in Corpus at 4:30P 4/15/04 I never recieved. I imagine I will get their callback today or tomorrow.

I will continue to keep you informed.

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Posted 16 April 2004 - 11:16 PM

I tried SBC Yahoo DSL, I liked the speed but the service and options were horrible and inconvienant.

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Posted 17 April 2004 - 12:22 PM

Yesterday, I called back the # left on my answering machine. I following her prompt instruction & asked for the lady who left the message as instructed. They told me she did not work in their building. That should have been predictable based on my previous experiences. I asked to speak to a manager. I talked to a female manager who once again reminded me of the $200 cancelation fee. I advised her of all the problems I have been having. She accessed the notes the agents had taken on my account. The agents didn't take noted very well. Their note taking on my account was very selective. She said have only called once complaining about the performance of my DSL. I advised the manager that my previous experinces with her company have been less than pleasant & that I wanted to end the relationship minus the $200.00 fee. The manager advised me she would be happy to cancel my DSL service for me, but that the $200.00 fee would appear on my bill. This went on for some time. :argue:

I advised the manager that had been told that if a technician would come out to my house, and was unable to fix the problem, that I could have the cancelation fee waived. I reminded her that in fact a technician had come out to my house & it still does not work. She said that the technician did not find a problem with the DSL & suggested that if my computer was the cause of the problem, that is MY problem. She went on to say that I have not called several times a month for 6 or 7 months in a row like some people. "Is that what it takes?", I asked. She said her point was that I had not been persistant & therefore had not convinced them that I had a serious problem.

I asked her if SBC has a customer satisfaction gaurentee. She said yes they do. I asked her what it is. She did not answer. I asked again & again. She kept avoiding the question.

She pointed out the agreement i clicked "I accept" on. I told her I don't care about that. She started reading it to me. I told her to stop reading it. She kept reading after I had told her to stop. I continued questioning her, all the while she was reading the terms & conditions.

I had to go to work, so I let her go. Needless to say, nothing was resolved.

I'll keep you updated...

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Posted 17 April 2004 - 03:04 PM

I had to go to work, so I let her go. Needless to say, nothing was resolved.

I'll keep you updated...

Sounds like you out to call the Better Business Bureua or something. I'd also get down that agreement and go over it with a fine tooth comb.

Here's something that happened to one of my wifes friends. She had a component on her car that kept going out. The service department were she went said that wasn't a warranty covered part and she was going to have to pay x-amount to get her car fixed. They went back and forth because she said this part was covered in the service agreement. They kept balking on her no matter who she talked to.

She got down the service agreement and had to literally point out to the service department that this part was covered. They still balked a little, but she went higher up and starting chewing ears (and butts) off of people in higher places. :bottom: They finally admitted they were wrong and they fixed her car.

I forget where it was I saw this, but she showed me the service contract and there it was in black and white (or whatever the color of the paper was :rolleyes: ).

I'd see if there was something in the customer satisfaction agreement that can be held over them and ride them like a government mule about it. :bottom: :twat:

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Posted 18 April 2004 - 05:02 AM

Might I suggest filing a complaint with the FCC. :bottom:

From what what you have described, you are having similar issues that a lot of people are having.

In the location you are in who would provide phone service without deregulation? I ask this as SBC is not a homegrown. SWB and GTE used to control all here. GTE sold out to Fujitsu and Verizon. With deregulation if someone like SBC has a contract with who ever owns the lines then they can provide local and all that. Unless they have bought the lines.

Anyway I rant, what I have encountered is say Verizon owns the lines and someone gets say DSL via SBC, it would appear that service really sucks. But some good testing gear can show that in several instances the root cause is not SBC but the owner of the lines. This happens a lot if the owner of the lines also provides the same services. Yes it is against the law, but how to prove it.

I am not making excuses for them as I do not work for them. You are a lot calmer than I could ever be as their customer service is a farce.

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Posted 23 April 2004 - 10:02 AM

Might I suggest filing a complaint with the FCC. :bottom:

From what what you have described, you are having similar issues that a lot of people are having.

In the location you are in who would provide phone service without deregulation? I ask this as SBC is not a homegrown. SWB and GTE used to control all here. GTE sold out to Fujitsu and Verizon. With deregulation if someone like SBC has a contract with who ever owns the lines then they can provide local and all that. Unless they have bought the lines.

Anyway I rant, what I have encountered is say Verizon owns the lines and someone gets say DSL via SBC, it would appear that service really sucks. But some good testing gear can show that in several instances the root cause is not SBC but the owner of the lines. This happens a lot if the owner of the lines also provides the same services. Yes it is against the law, but how to prove it.

I am not making excuses for them as I do not work for them. You are a lot calmer than I could ever be as their customer service is a farce.

Southwestern Bell is my carrier without deregulation. Southwestern Bell changed their name or at least what they go by to SBC. This is the same company who provides my DSL.

BTW, I am not as calm about this thing as I appear. Believe me, I am as mad as hell & I am not going to take it anymore.

Edited by Super B, 23 April 2004 - 10:02 AM.


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Posted 23 April 2004 - 10:15 AM

I tried to call their tech support a few days ago.

I got a guy with an Indian accent. As in the country. I asked him where he was located. He said he is in one of the International tech support offices. I asked what country he was in. He said he was not at liberty to say. I asked how many International tech support offices there were. He said he did not know. I asked if a domestic office in the US existed. He said he did not know. All of his answers to every question was scripted. I asked additional questions. He either gave a scripted answer or, when a scripted answer did not exist, changed the subject or did not answer.

I asked him how much training he had on this. He side stepped the question.

He was of no help at all. He told me to make sure the Work Offline option under File was unchecked. I told him it was already unchecked. He said it should work now. That was the extent of his "help". He had me unplug all the wires on my modem, shut down the PC, plug wires back up and turn the PC back on.

Neither of these approaches worked. I let him go after that.

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Posted 23 April 2004 - 12:11 PM

Sounds like they're trying to just beat you down so you're willing to give up and give them the $200.00 penalty or whateveritis.

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Posted 28 April 2004 - 10:00 AM

Any news B??? :mellow:

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Posted 29 April 2004 - 05:53 AM

I called yesterday & spoke to Bob in some kind of "global" dept. (meaning he handles a lot of different inquiries). He answered the phone with the question, "How can I make you a satisfyed customer today?". I sarcastically laughed, then went into serious man. I explained that I have yet to be satisfyed by anyone I talked to. I explained the problems, he looks at his notes, & offered to send a technician out. I told him at this point I was tired of messing with it & that I'd just assume cut my losses & move on without a $200 cancelation fee.

He put me on hold. After a while he came back & said he would cancel the DSL service & waive the cancelation fee.

Sucess!



I'll let you know if it doesn't happen the way he said it would.

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Posted 29 April 2004 - 06:00 AM

BTW, Bob told me that the SBC dial-up which came with DSL when I installed the service would still be active for free for 60 days. We should be very close to moving into our new home by then.

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Posted 29 April 2004 - 07:38 AM

SB,

What other options are available in DFW? I have SBC/Yahoo DSL. It's great most of the time, but anytime I have to call for service or billing, I have to go through about 8 recorded messages to get to a live person. They are noted for billing issues. I initially got my service at "a special low rate" for one year, then it would jump up to the regular rate after one year. Before my one year anniversary, they sent a letter stating that they would keep my rate the same if I stayed with them. I agreed, and completed the requested info on line. Low and behold, after my one year was up, they billed me at the higher rate! :rant2: We called, and were able to get them to credit our account. Problem solved....right?.....Wrong!.....this last month we were billed at the higher rate again. My wife called, and was told they didn't do the rate reduction. She gave some lame :lame: story about the computer being down and the proper person not being there to process the rate reduction. We were told we would have to call back again. Could they not have given this info to the proper person? It's like they want to inconvenience you as much as possible. :swear: :argue: :twat:

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Posted 29 April 2004 - 08:03 AM

Super_B, you're in the metro... might I suggest Comcast cable Internet. I know it's more expensive than DSL but the service is 19.95 for the first three months on a 12 month contract then it goes up to 40 or 50 bucks. Cable is SOOOOOOOOOO much faster than DSL and in my area is a more consistent connection. DSL speed is limited in the distance you are from a hub. The farther away you are from the hub, the slower your connection.

Also, since you're getting Broadband... screw SBC and check out Vonage / the broadband phone company. This service kicks mega a**. Check out the link below for more information on it.

Both of these services can be signed up for at your local Best Buy as long as they are available in your area. There is more incentive to sign up for them at a Best Buy as not only do you get the same monthly promotions that the vendor is offering but you'll usually get tons of gift card rebates, etc...

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Posted 29 April 2004 - 08:51 AM

Super_B, you're in the metro... might I suggest Comcast cable Internet. I know it's more expensive than DSL but the service is 19.95 for the first three months on a 12 month contract then it goes up to 40 or 50 bucks. Cable is SOOOOOOOOOO much faster than DSL and in my area is a more consistent connection. DSL speed is limited in the distance you are from a hub. The farther away you are from the hub, the slower your connection.

Also, since you're getting Broadband... screw SBC and check out Vonage / the broadband phone company. This service kicks mega a**. Check out the link below for more information on it.

Both of these services can be signed up for at your local Best Buy as long as they are available in your area. There is more incentive to sign up for them at a Best Buy as not only do you get the same monthly promotions that the vendor is offering but you'll usually get tons of gift card rebates, etc...

Vonage - The Broadband Phone Company

U said it right there. More $.

Right now (actually always), things are tight. We are probably just gonna get cheap dial-up service for a while.

LPanther,

That sounds like typical SBC "customer service" to me. Perhaps if they had any true competition they would treat their customers better.

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Posted 29 April 2004 - 08:53 AM

Then you can head in to your local Best Buy and sign up for NetZero or Juno High Speed @ 14.95/mo.

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Regular NetZero or Juno is 9.95

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Posted 30 April 2004 - 05:18 PM

I just got DSl last month. I got my first bill,$75.00. I hope I don't get shafted.
It works great with no problems, but I am only half a mile from the server.

I just waiting now to see what next months bill will be.




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