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[lorenzo]

any thoughts?

so far looking like the democrats are winning some key early battles.

[WestlakeTech]

Hadn't Kerry given up by this time 4 years ago?

Well, Obama won the Westlake Mock Election, and I think that's a pretty accurate assesment of the younger votes. There's probably a better way to say this, but: Liberalism is "in." I really don't care either way, as long as whoever gets into the White House pulls our nation out of the messes we're in. But I'll admit, that I"m not too optimistic. I agree w/the folks who say "We're Screwed '08."

[lorenzo]

Hadn't Kerry given up by this time 4 years ago?

Well, Obama won the Westlake Mock Election, and I think that's a pretty accurate assesment of the younger votes. There's probably a better way to say this, but: Liberalism is "in." I really don't care either way, as long as whoever gets into the White House pulls our nation out of the messes we're in. But I'll admit, that I"m not too optimistic. I agree w/the folks who say "We're Screwed '08."

this isn't about liberals or conservatives........repubs or dems......this is about america. america spoke tonight in record fashion. and that is something that I hope will only continue to happen as the years go on. more involvement from more americans. that's what we need.

I am one of the hundred millions of americans who is not a republican or a democrat. I am not a conservative or a liberal. I am a american. and so is mr. obama....as is mr. mccain who I greatly admire as well. people love to put on labels....they love to make it about religion, race, party affiliation, and all of those other issues that many people cannot get past. those are the issues that are holding us back not just in our country, but around the world.

Edited by lorenzo, 04 November 2008 - 09:03 PM.

[THSfanatic]

I didn't vote for Obama, but he is now MY president. I will support him & pray he takes us to bigger & better things.

[lorenzo]

I didn't vote for Obama, but he his now MY president. I will support him & pray he takes us to bigger & better things.

well said. and I would have said the same thing had senator mccain won. I did not vote for senator mccain, but he is clearly a distinguished american who has earned my greatest respect. and that goes back to his service to our nation in vietnam. I love the men and women in uniform and have the greatest respect for those that sacrificed everything. it is for those people......regardless of where we stand politically and ideologically.......it is for them that we should all unite together to have our voices heard. they are the ones that fought with everything they had for freedom.

Edited by lorenzo, 04 November 2008 - 10:30 PM.

[Ennis HS 76]

I didn't vote for Obama, but he his now MY president. I will support him & pray he takes us to bigger & better things.

Alan, I was wondering how long it would take for someone on this board who voted for McCain would express those sentiments. It doesn't surprise me at all that you would be the first (at least the first that I've seen). Whatever the outcome would have been tonight, our future president would need our prayers, best wishes, good will, or whatever. I join you in this!!!

[lorenzo]

Alan, I was wondering how long it would take for someone on this board who voted for McCain would express those sentiments. It doesn't surprise me at all that you would be the first (at least the first that I've seen). Whatever the outcome would have been tonight, our future president would need our prayers, best wishes, good will, or whatever. I join you in this!!!

and I liked the president elect's speech. he didn't focus on soley victory.....he immediately made it known that the toughest days are ahead of us. he made it more about the people even to the many folks that did not vote for him. and that is what we need to do. we need to work together to make our country a better place for our children and their children. a country united rather than divided. we may all disagree on some things, but we all are americans and want to move forward for our children. that is the american dream and that is the dream shared by the men and women who have laid the foundation for our country many years ago.

I am excited, but i also am realistic in my thoughts that senator obama and the american people have a tough road ahead. and rightfully so.......americans who did not vote for senator obama want to see what he can do as president as opposed to what he can say at the podium. and eventhough I am one who voted for him....i am not neive in my thoughts in regards to the steep hills that are yet to be climbed. I thought his speech was excellent and respect his humility. I pray to God tonight for all americans. that he touches us all and keeps us safe.

Edited by lorenzo, 04 November 2008 - 10:52 PM.

[WestlakeTech]

I'm not saying anything against Obama, just that I don't think many of my peers voted w/their hearts. I could easily be wrong, and I really don't mind him being our president. As long as he's here, yeah, let's hope for the best...

[Texas High School football]

I'm not saying anything against Obama, just that I don't think many of my peers voted w/their hearts. I could easily be wrong, and I really don't mind him being our president. As long as he's here, yeah, let's hope for the best...

Voted W/ their hearts? That is how Obama was elected, because emotional thinking leads to emotional decision making. Texas and the economically free south voted for McCain, it was the idiots who's local economy was destroyed by local Democrats (Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Michigan) that voted for Obama (As if the notion of more government regulation in the Economy works).

We libertarians and conservatives are screwed. Unlike the Republicans, the Democrats work well as a team and they will probably get some things done. I can see already the return of the Fairness Doctrine and the subsequent loss of talk radio, increased taxes (because a rebate check to everyone making less than $200,000 a year will soon be part of an expanded welfare program), and an increase in "Nanny State" laws enacted Federally. The next Libertarian/Conservative Republican will have to save us from the ultimate loss of Economic and Personal Freedom.

That being said about the Socialist Furor Obama, some good things that might actually come out of this election:

1. Possible decriminalization of Cannabis.
2. Extending marriage laws to same sex couples.
3. Destroying the BCS in favor of a playoff system.
4. Ending the war on Pornography.

That being said, only one of those things would the vast majority favor. As far as personal freedoms go, I would rather have more economic freedom than personal simply because in this country the richer that you are, the more likely that you will not go to jail for possession of drugs, or other minor victimless crimes.

Without economic freedom, you will see a society who values the entitlement more than competition. Welcome back the "buy American" days of the Auto manufacturers. It is time for the Republicans to go back to the days of Newt Gingrich's Contract with America: More Freetrade and less taxes. Quit caring about social issues that emotional voters worry about, let the Dems own those.

There was a young Congressman from Wisconsin on Fox News last night by the name of Ryan; he might just be vying for a Senate seat in 2010. Only time will tell, but watch him and see what he does do while in office.

[jcisco loboe'77]

THE SKY IS FALLING!!
THE SKY IS FALLING!!
THE SKY IS FALLING!!

[WestlakeTech]

I'm not saying anything against Obama, just that I don't think many of my peers voted w/their hearts. I could easily be wrong, and I really don't mind him being our president. As long as he's here, yeah, let's hope for the best...

[FarmersFan]

Lorenzo,
It is simply amazing to me that this is about the 3rd or 4th post by you that sounds like it is straight out of a Norman Rockwell picture. All touchy-feely and full of goodwill and high hopes. One big group hug. Your canidate of choice won the election so now you have it all figured out. Perhaps nobody has mentioned to you that all these things you say we NOW need to do since Obama has won the election were also needed these past 8 years when the Liberal Left was constantly bashing President Bush at every single turn. We needed all our leadership to join hands and help this country through the 9-11 crisis and then into and thru the Iraq war but instead we got constant criticism from the left because Bush was doing the very thing that "THEY" vote to do. He got ZERO support from most. 90% of his policies were compromised because it didn't matter if they were good or bad the Democrats would not support him. Economic strife, market instability, Housing over-evaluation, Heathcare costs through the roof and Out of control legal system can ALL be linked back to Liberal policies and idealologies yet according to you, NOW is the time for all Americans to get behind the NEW LIBERAL PRESIDENT. The current state of this country is greatly the responsibility of a Liberal mindset in Washington and this election has only doubled the Liberal control and we should all be supportive? At every turn in our lives we run into bad situations that exist because of Political Correctness, Self Entitlement, Lack of Personal Responsibility or Accommodating Special Interest at the expense of the Masses and yet people elected a President who promised to do more of this. It kind of makes me feel like I have been told a million times that I am standing in dog Sh** and even though I can not see dog sh** on my shoe I start to believe it so in order to get out of the dog sh** I jump into a sewer............. You people have jumped into the sewer and now want to ask us all to join you in celebration. I choose to wait and watch.

well said. and I would have said the same thing had senator mccain won. I did not vote for senator mccain, but he is clearly a distinguished american who has earned my greatest respect. and that goes back to his service to our nation in vietnam. I love the men and women in uniform and have the greatest respect for those that sacrificed everything. it is for those people......regardless of where we stand politically and ideologically.......it is for them that we should all unite together to have our voices heard. they are the ones that fought with everything they had for freedom.

[lorenzo]

Lorenzo,
It is simply amazing to me that this is about the 3rd or 4th post by you that sounds like it is straight out of a Norman Rockwell picture. All touchy-feely and full of goodwill and high hopes. One big group hug. Your canidate of choice won the election so now you have it all figured out. Perhaps nobody has mentioned to you that all these things you say we NOW need to do since Obama has won the election were also needed these past 8 years when the Liberal Left was constantly bashing President Bush at every single turn. We needed all our leadership to join hands and help this country through the 9-11 crisis and then into and thru the Iraq war but instead we got constant criticism from the left because Bush was doing the very thing that "THEY" vote to do. He got ZERO support from most. 90% of his policies were compromised because it didn't matter if they were good or bad the Democrats would not support him. Economic strife, market instability, Housing over-evaluation, Heathcare costs through the roof and Out of control legal system can ALL be linked back to Liberal policies and idealologies yet according to you, NOW is the time for all Americans to get behind the NEW LIBERAL PRESIDENT. The current state of this country is greatly the responsibility of a Liberal mindset in Washington and this election has only doubled the Liberal control and we should all be supportive? At every turn in our lives we run into bad situations that exist because of Political Correctness, Self Entitlement, Lack of Personal Responsibility or Accommodating Special Interest at the expense of the Masses and yet people elected a President who promised to do more of this. It kind of makes me feel like I have been told a million times that I am standing in dog Sh** and even though I can not see dog sh** on my shoe I start to believe it so in order to get out of the dog sh** I jump into a sewer............. You people have jumped into the sewer and now want to ask us all to join you in celebration. I choose to wait and watch.

ok i respect your opinion. and you do bring up some valid points in some instances not all. to say that bush got zero support is wrong...he got an enormous amount of support by both parties and the american people looking back over four years ago of course you did say that. but he did get tremendous support from congress in those times. and did he not have a republican majority for four to six years? at those times president bush had record approval ratings and congress not surprisingly voted with those ratings. that's what they do even in situations when they may feel indifferent. and he was re-elected by the people. even until now with the economic crisis he has gathered support from democrats with his bailout plan that he initiated at first.......now they have done so while at the same time trying to distance themselves and put blame back to him, but it was an idea that his treasury dept worked on. his band aid stimulus plans that I must say helped me spend an extra dollar to feed my family and for that I'm thankful, but it did not change our economy overall.....again that was supported by democrats and republicans. of course one issue I find wrong is the consequences of the second war in Iraq that we as a country were not prepared for no matter whether you were for it or not. also with bush of late is he did not support the GI bill expansion and even threatened veto. ....when things go wrong with a group.......the leaders take the blame. over the last couple of decades our leadership on both sides of the aisle.....including president bush.......have failed us. and the american citizens have to share in the blame as well. six years ago the country loved president bush....now when things are bad they don't love him so much. and we stand by and pass blame rather than taking blame or taking action ourselves. it is a tough cycle.

the post that you responded to was more about the respect I had for john mccain and his POW status....and the other troops in the history of our nation that paid with their lives so that we can blog on the internet. call me corny, but that's how i honestly feel. the other posts may give you the idea that suddenly I'm a straight democrat, but I'm not. I'm not for either party. but I have been called liberal a lot lately for not siding with the republican party. and I am wrong for giving the impression that this is the fault of one side or only that of president bush. because at the end of the day he is our leader and while I can disagree with some.....not all things he has done......it isn't right for me to just pin everything on him. because he has very difficult job and will take heat no matter what plays out. he should also be commended for being our president and the good things that he has done and the service he has provided for our people. I am wrong to make this seem like it's all on him or his party for that manner. because extreme partisonship on both sides does cause more problems.

just to fill you in though as a neutral voter.........since you are on this blame game. ......it's a shame that some will call you every name in the book and take it so personal if you don't side with their all of their ideals and policies. almost dare I say....... radical in that sense. this is a diverse nation that is divided politically. and we wonder why are standing with the rest of the world isn't so great. we can't even unite in our own country that is supposed to be a land for all people. until we do we will struggle domestically and abroad.

Edited by lorenzo, 06 November 2008 - 07:41 PM.

[lorenzo]

Voted W/ their hearts? That is how Obama was elected, because emotional thinking leads to emotional decision making. Texas and the economically free south voted for McCain, it was the idiots who's local economy was destroyed by local Democrats (Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Michigan) that voted for Obama (As if the notion of more government regulation in the Economy works).

We libertarians and conservatives are screwed. Unlike the Republicans, the Democrats work well as a team and they will probably get some things done. I can see already the return of the Fairness Doctrine and the subsequent loss of talk radio, increased taxes (because a rebate check to everyone making less than $200,000 a year will soon be part of an expanded welfare program), and an increase in "Nanny State" laws enacted Federally. The next Libertarian/Conservative Republican will have to save us from the ultimate loss of Economic and Personal Freedom.

That being said about the Socialist Furor Obama, some good things that might actually come out of this election:

1. Possible decriminalization of Cannabis.
2. Extending marriage laws to same sex couples.
3. Destroying the BCS in favor of a playoff system.
4. Ending the war on Pornography.

That being said, only one of those things would the vast majority favor. As far as personal freedoms go, I would rather have more economic freedom than personal simply because in this country the richer that you are, the more likely that you will not go to jail for possession of drugs, or other minor victimless crimes.

Without economic freedom, you will see a society who values the entitlement more than competition. Welcome back the "buy American" days of the Auto manufacturers. It is time for the Republicans to go back to the days of Newt Gingrich's Contract with America: More Freetrade and less taxes. Quit caring about social issues that emotional voters worry about, let the Dems own those.

There was a young Congressman from Wisconsin on Fox News last night by the name of Ryan; he might just be vying for a Senate seat in 2010. Only time will tell, but watch him and see what he does do while in office.

I'm down with a playoff, but that is left to the NCAA. it could be a while

[Texas High School football]

this is a diverse nation that is divided politically. and we wonder why are standing with the rest of the world isn't so great. we can't even unite in our own country. until we do we will struggle domestically and abroad.

Countries that have been and are still "united":

Zimbabwe under Robert Mugabe.
Iraq under Saddam Hussein who won reelection by 98.99% or ran for President unopposed. (Arab Socialism)
Adolph Hitler's National Socialist Party (Nazism)
Vladamir Lenin's Marxist Revolution. (Communism)
Kim Jung IL's Democratic People's Republic of Korea (North Korean Necrocracy/Authoritarianism, Kim IL Sung is dead and is still president.)
Hugo Chavez's Venezuela (Fascism)
Mahmood Ahmedinijihad's Iranian Theocracy.
Myanmar's Military Junta.
Benito Musilini's Italian Fascism.

Looks like those "united" countries are doing real well. I would say that the greatest thing about the United States of America is our ability to be divided on every issue, but still come together and say that we disagree with the government. Places that are "united" do not have this ability and can not live in freedom; rather tyranny.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."-The Declaration of Independence

Sounds like the Founding Fathers really wanted the country to be "united" doesn't it? Considering that they were not united with the crown and King George, I'd say no.

Considering how long that the "rest of the world" has been around, I'd say that America is the equivalent of South Lake Carrol vs surounded by a bunch of 1A schools and the next biggest being the Class 3A state champion. They are all just a little jelous and they don't yet want to admit that socialism and religious authoritarianism have failed.

[THSfanatic]

I'd say that America is the equivalent of South Lake Carrol vs surounded by a bunch of 1A schools and the next biggest being the Class 3A state champion.

Now that was an unexpected turn

[lorenzo]

Countries that have been and are still "united":

Zimbabwe under Robert Mugabe.
Iraq under Saddam Hussein who won reelection by 98.99% or ran for President unopposed. (Arab Socialism)
Adolph Hitler's National Socialist Party (Nazism)
Vladamir Lenin's Marxist Revolution. (Communism)
Kim Jung IL's Democratic People's Republic of Korea (North Korean Necrocracy/Authoritarianism, Kim IL Sung is dead and is still president.)
Hugo Chavez's Venezuela (Fascism)
Mahmood Ahmedinijihad's Iranian Theocracy.
Myanmar's Military Junta.
Benito Musilini's Italian Fascism.

Looks like those "united" countries are doing real well. I would say that the greatest thing about the United States of America is our ability to be divided on every issue, but still come together and say that we disagree with the government. Places that are "united" do not have this ability and can not live in freedom; rather tyranny.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."-The Declaration of Independence

Sounds like the Founding Fathers really wanted the country to be "united" doesn't it? Considering that they were not united with the crown and King George, I'd say no.
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that is well put. and that's not what I meant prior BTW but a good comical spin put on it. i meant accepting that we are all different and then working together.....rather than constantly clashing against one another without getting anything accomplished. obviously I'm overracting because I followed the campaigns to closely and it was a heated election. I don't know, but what I have found is that our country is now more diverse than ever. and it is going to be tough for the next president to represent all people or at least keep them happy. I kind of feel for president bush in that regard. but I know that at the end of the day americans can get things done together. because at the end of the day most of us have accepted diversity long ago. obviously we aren't all going to agree on every major issue. and you brought up some good scenarios where balance of power or checks and balances did not stop things from getting out of control. can't argue with that at all.

no the founding fathers wern't united with the crown lol. there's just something that causes others to rebel when tyrants cross the oceans and try to regulate how others should be governed......................

Edited by lorenzo, 07 November 2008 - 12:02 AM.

[FarmersFan]

I think it's more of a case of the US allowing others to self determine how they will be governed. That's the key to Democracy. America has never forced thier way of life on anyone. they have only forced the freedom of self determination on others. If your statement were true we would simply appoint a President in Iraq. Free elections will decide........... Even unqualified radical muslims can get elected in this kind of system!!

no the founding fathers wern't united with the crown lol. there's just something that causes others to rebel when tyrants cross the oceans and try to regulate how others should be governed......................

[jcisco loboe'77]

.................Uh going w/STYLE instead of SUBSTANCE!!!

[Texas High School football]

i meant accepting that we are all different and then working together.....rather than constantly clashing against one another without getting anything accomplished. obviously I'm overracting because I followed the campaigns to closely and it was a heated election. I don't know, but what I have found is that our country is now more diverse than ever. and it is going to be tough for the next president to represent all people or at least keep them happy.

So Obama will have to represent the contradictory agendas of both the:

The Scientific Skeptics and the 9/11 truthers.
Atheists and the religious.
The Gun Owners and the Gun Regulators.
The Libertarians and the Authoritarians.
Those in favor of free speech and those who don't ever want to hear language in which they don't approve of.
The Ku Klux Klan and the Black Panthers Party.

Yep, we should really try to get a leader who works to get everyone's agenda accomplished. It seems possible... right?

I kind of feel for president bush in that regard. but I know that at the end of the day americans can get things done together. because at the end of the day most of us have accepted diversity long ago. obviously we aren't all going to agree on every major issue. and you brought up some good scenarios where balance of power or checks and balances did not stop things from getting out of control. can't argue with that at all.

no the founding fathers wern't united with the crown lol. there's just something that causes others to rebel when tyrants cross the oceans and try to regulate how others should be governed......................

Yeah, considering that there were Iraqis and Kurds begging for someone to save them from the Tyrant that is Saddam Hussein, a man who illegally invaded Kuwait in 1990, isn't this like someone saying that fighting Germany in WW2 wasn't worth it? Isn't this like saying that we were the evildoers in saving the Jews, Pols, Gypsies, and Homos from death by National Socialist hands, because we were in someonelse's country?