[Mr. Clean]

Look guys, I think it's clear that this is not the usual "banner year" (as Jamie likes to say) for Texas. The top team (Cedar Hill) is consistently sloppy. Three of the top five teams ranked by this site (North Shore, Allen, and Southlake Carroll) already have a loss. Looks like Skyline is probably playing better than anyone else in Texas.

I've seen Round Rock Stony Point a little bit on TV. I don't think Stony Point would beat Cedar Hill, although they're (Stony Point) pretty good.

Allen got tested by a team from Mexico! (Prepa Tech).

I have always stated that I believe Texas to be at the pinnacle (alone) of high school football, but it seems pretty clear (to me, at least) that Florida is stronger this year.

I have a lot of respect for football in Texas, but it seems like the cupboard is not as full this year. Agree? Disagree?

[~RockinL~]

Mr. Clean, on 03 October 2009 - 06:00 PM, said:

I have a lot of respect for football in Texas, but it seems like the cupboard is not as full this year. Agree? Disagree?

I agree. Nobody really "stands out" this year IMO. Despite what some think, from seeing Cedar Hill, I dont think they are as great as some do. Skyline will lose in the playoffs. Katy is still solid, but not great. 4A Lake Travis is very good again, in any classification.

Seems like a year where there isn't a really definite dominate team.

This post has been edited by ~RockinL~: 03 October 2009 - 06:29 PM

[lamarfan]

Mr. Clean, on 03 October 2009 - 07:00 PM, said:

Look guys, I think it's clear that this is not the usual "banner year" (as Jamie likes to say) for Texas. The top team (Cedar Hill) is consistently sloppy. Three of the top five teams ranked by this site (North Shore, Allen, and Southlake Carroll) already have a loss. Looks like Skyline is probably playing better than anyone else in Texas.

I've seen Round Rock Stony Point a little bit on TV. I don't think Stony Point would beat Cedar Hill, although they're (Stony Point) pretty good.

Allen got tested by a team from Mexico! (Prepa Tech).

I have always stated that I believe Texas to be at the pinnacle (alone) of high school football, but it seems pretty clear (to me, at least) that Florida is stronger this year.

I have a lot of respect for football in Texas, but it seems like the cupboard is not as full this year. Agree? Disagree?

HA HA if those few Fl teams had played some of these schedules they would have a loss also. If you tried to match the top ten of both states instead of looking at records you would be lucky to have two Fl teams matchup strength with the top 10 in Tex. I think we have more than 10 John Curtis's if that tells you anything. No its not like when SLC a few years ago was over the top of ever body. I think we have had alot of teams catchup this year and there loaded with solid teams. The only mismatches you are seeing is these teams vs OOS teams..And that is why we cant predict the champ this year. I can guess at more than 6 that might be the champ..

[CHS]

True..
We have so many good teams..All our top teams will get tested every week..
If any thing with at least one Top Team loseing every week should tell you how good the state(Texas) really is
Other than florida,who dosent have a balance State like Texas.Ranked Teams may get a easy Game every week til play-offs..

O and one more thing..
Skyline may be the best Team in the Nation right now.IMO

[bodyguard]

CHS, on 03 October 2009 - 07:53 PM, said:

True..
We have so many good teams..All our top teams will get tested every week..
If any thing with at least one Top Team loseing every week should tell you how good the state(Texas) really is
Other than florida,who dosent have a balance State like Texas.Ranked Teams may get a easy Game every week til play-offs..

Same ole song.. the Texas two-step. They can't lose... if a team is dominant they're the best ever... if there is parity it shows how strong the state is overall... they never consider it may be due to medocrity

This post has been edited by bodyguard: 03 October 2009 - 09:07 PM

[TrojanHorse03]

bodyguard, on 03 October 2009 - 10:07 PM, said:

Same ole song.. the Texas two-step. They can't lose... if a team is dominant they're the best ever... if there is parity it shows how strong the state is overall... they never consider it may be due to medocrity

No different from any other state. People were saying how weak DLS was last year yet they were the ones who took highly ranked nationally Centennial to the wire. Or how bout Florida folks saying because everyone STA faced last year got blown out, everyone else best would too. Too everybody their state's football smells like roses, surprise, surprise out of staters are gonna get that more from Texans on Texas HS football.com, UNBELIEVABLE! Yeah STA is no. 1 but who the hell else are we so sure about anywhere right now? Cedar Hill is likely highly overrated true. On the other hand Skyline could turn out to be underrated nationally and in the state when we look back or...they could flame out against a good team in the playoffs again too. I will say that Katy, North Shore, the Woodlands, and Allen though certainly aren't unbeatable(I use that as a phrase, as no teams really are unbeatable) they are very good teams. I ask really in truth, only half way through the regular season other than STA 1A and Byrnes 1B how much do we really know right now?

This post has been edited by TrojanHorse03: 03 October 2009 - 09:41 PM

[TrojanHorse03]

I don't feel like going through the casulties in the national top 10 throughout this year, but I think there's a good representation nationally of teams people were so sure so early in the season.

This post has been edited by TrojanHorse03: 03 October 2009 - 09:36 PM

[DownSouth]

bodyguard, on 03 October 2009 - 10:07 PM, said:

Same ole song.. the Texas two-step. They can't lose... if a team is dominant they're the best ever... if there is parity it shows how strong the state is overall... they never consider it may be due to medocrity

Not much of a shocker.

Had they bothered to wake up from their looney toones themed dreams, they'd have noticed that #22 (FL rankings) Plant just beat #6 Armwood - and Plant already has a loss to #18 Tampa Bay Tech 32-20, and that same Tampa Bay Tech team has a loss to formerly #6 Armwood by a score of 9-6.

#11 Dwyer has a loss, Dwyer also BLEW OUT #15 Pahokee to hand them a loss; #2 Northwestern just lost to #8 Booker T., and now formerly #2 MNW faces #3 Central on Thursday.

#23 Madison County also kicked the crap out of a solid Columbia team 56-14. Columbia came into that game 2-0-1 with a tie with 4-0-1 Charlton County, of Georgia. They played to a 48-48 tie.

We have dominant teams, AND depth this year. We do every year, but since some of you want to doubt, we'll just point it out for you this time.

Texans again prove that, yes, their entire state is just nuts. - And uninformed on a pathetic level. Again, no shocker with that one.

This post has been edited by DownSouth: 03 October 2009 - 09:46 PM

[Mr. Clean]

lamarfan, on 03 October 2009 - 07:46 PM, said:

HA HA if those few Fl teams had played some of these schedules they would have a loss also. If you tried to match the top ten of both states instead of looking at records you would be lucky to have two Fl teams matchup strength with the top 10 in Tex. I think we have more than 10 John Curtis's if that tells you anything. No its not like when SLC a few years ago was over the top of ever body. I think we have had alot of teams catchup this year and there loaded with solid teams. The only mismatches you are seeing is these teams vs OOS teams..And that is why we cant predict the champ this year. I can guess at more than 6 that might be the champ..

Who are the "John Curtis(es)"

You're not gonna say Allen, are you? I'm sure Mexico has a lot of schools that could beat John Curtis in baseball or soccer (I don't think Curtis has soccer, lol), but I don't believe any team from Mexico can stop the Patriots veer.

[Mr. Clean]

~RockinL~, on 03 October 2009 - 07:28 PM, said:

I agree. Nobody really "stands out" this year IMO. Despite what some think, from seeing Cedar Hill, I dont think they are as great as some do. Skyline will lose in the playoffs. Katy is still solid, but not great. 4A Lake Travis is very good again, in any classification.

Seems like a year where there isn't a really definite dominate team.

Good post, Rockin L. Yeah, Lake Travis and Longview can both play with any of the teams in Texas or anywhere else.

I wasn't knocking Texas at all. It just seems like there's not the usual 1-5 5A juggernauts that we usually see.

[Mr. Clean]

CHS, on 03 October 2009 - 09:53 PM, said:

O and one more thing..
Skyline may be the best Team in the Nation right now.IMO

Seriously....Skyline barely held off Bowie.

Not that Bowie is a poor team, but if you're the best in the nation, I expect more.

You really think Skyline could compete with St. Thomas Aquinas?

[steeler 01]

Mr. Clean, on 04 October 2009 - 12:59 AM, said:

Seriously....Skyline barely held off Bowie.

Not that Bowie is a poor team, but if you're the best in the nation, I expect more.

You really think Skyline could compete with St. Thomas Aquinas?

Actually I expected Bowie to give Skyline a game. They match up pretty well, and they seem to always be in dogfights when they play each other. I don't think Skyline is elite though.

[Cajun61]

Texas has 1,765 "elite" teams, Clean...I dunno what you are talking about..

This post has been edited by Cajun61: 04 October 2009 - 09:05 AM

[Mr. Clean]

Cajun61, on 04 October 2009 - 10:05 AM, said:

Texas has 1,765 "elite" teams, Clean...I dunno what you are talking about..

I'm waiting for someone to break out the....."We got a team in 3A called Gilmer that will beat everybody outside of Texas by 21." lol

[Panama Stan]

Mr. Clean, on 04 October 2009 - 09:16 AM, said:

I'm waiting for someone to break out the....."We got a team in 3A called Gilmer that will beat everybody outside of Texas by 21." lol

I wouldn't knock 3A Gilmer who normally is pretty talented...not saying they would beat everybody OOS by 21 (I believe BTW who just beat MNW is 3A in Florida). Being from Texas, I used to think the lower classes were no match for the elite 5A but have changed my thinking considering what SLC did when it moved into 5A, Highland Park a few years ago, and most recently Lake Travis (whom I might have given an edge to the last two years over the 5A stock) and now Longview. You are correct though, Texas 5A "elite" is not what it used to be, very few teams can consistently play shutdown defense which is why the less talented lower class teams that run a disciplined spread offense is usually successful (brings back memories of Stephenville/Briles and Lamarque).

[Mr. Clean]

Panama Stan, on 04 October 2009 - 11:48 AM, said:

I wouldn't knock 3A Gilmer who normally is pretty talented...not saying they would beat everybody OOS by 21 (I believe BTW who just beat MNW is 3A in Florida). Being from Texas, I used to think the lower classes were no match for the elite 5A but have changed my thinking considering what SLC did when it moved into 5A, Highland Park a few years ago, and most recently Lake Travis (whom I might have given an edge to the last two years over the 5A stock) and now Longview. You are correct though, Texas 5A "elite" is not what it used to be, very few teams can consistently play shutdown defense which is why the less talented lower class teams that run a disciplined spread offense is usually successful (brings back memories of Stephenville/Briles and Lamarque).

It's probably just this year in 5A. It didn't help that North Shore and Katy played each other early. That handed one of those good teams a loss.

Not trying knock Gilmer...it's just been a staple over the years....that someone would invariably say something like that about a 3A or 4A team. Lake Travis might be the best team in Texas.

[Cajun61]

Panama Stan, on 04 October 2009 - 11:48 AM, said:

I wouldn't knock 3A Gilmer who normally is pretty talented...not saying they would beat everybody OOS by 21 (I believe BTW who just beat MNW is 3A in Florida). Being from Texas, I used to think the lower classes were no match for the elite 5A but have changed my thinking considering what SLC did when it moved into 5A, Highland Park a few years ago, and most recently Lake Travis (whom I might have given an edge to the last two years over the 5A stock) and now Longview. You are correct though, Texas 5A "elite" is not what it used to be, very few teams can consistently play shutdown defense which is why the less talented lower class teams that run a disciplined spread offense is usually successful (brings back memories of Stephenville/Briles and Lamarque).

Gilmer is normally pretty great every year..You make some good points though..

In my opinion, I think if more Texas 5A teams played some of the lower class schools in Texas every year they just may get their feelings hurt sometimes from what I have seen and followed through the years...

In Louisiana this year 4A is loaded and may be the strongest class in the state, it's not an insult to 5A here...5A is no pushover, but has had stronger years...We got some pretty stout 3A teams here as well...

Most Texas people (not you) do not wish to reconize this fact...Alot of them have 5A of the brain...It's "5A", and if say different we will put you in your place.. (lol)

[bdnation]

Mr. Clean, on 04 October 2009 - 11:08 AM, said:

It's probably just this year in 5A. It didn't help that North Shore and Katy played each other early. That handed one of those good teams a loss.

Not trying knock Gilmer...it's just been a staple over the years....that someone would invariably say something like that about a 3A or 4A team. Lake Travis might be the best team in Texas.

It's not that the overall quality has declined in Texas, but that more of the traditional powerhouses are playing each other in the regular season...SLC, Trinity, Katy, NS, Cedar Hill, Allen. You don't have the teams going through the season unscathed and giving the impression they are invincible. Would SLC had been undefeated during their championship years if they they played a Trinity or NS during the regular season? Maybe not.

[~RockinL~]

bodyguard, on 03 October 2009 - 09:07 PM, said:

Same ole song.. the Texas two-step. They can't lose... if a team is dominant they're the best ever... if there is parity it shows how strong the state is overall... they never consider it may be due to medocrity

I think people got so used to having a few dominate teams for a few years, that they found it easy to hang their hat on those teams.
Not having a "dominate" team doesnt equal "mediocre". Parity doesnt equal mediocre either. I think it's an average year in Texas, which is still as good as any state, and better overall than most.

Texas HS football sure gets alot of attention nationally for a state that is mediocre.

[Mr. Clean]

Who do you Texas guys think are the best two 5A teams in the state.....and who do you think are the best two teams overall (regardless of class)?