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[bodyguard]

Probably the best way to look at Colerain '04 is by halftime scores. The second half was garbage time in every one of their games.

In their 15 games, at the half nine were shutouts. In four of the remaining six games they gave up a field goal. The most they gave up was 10 points in the state finals to Canton McKinley, at McKinley's home field. FYI, McKinley was shut out in the second half and lost 50-10.



Average Colerain 2004 halftime score:

Colerain 28

Opponent 2


Colerain led by 4 TDs or more at the half in eight of 15 games. In their two most lop-sided affairs, they led 49-0 and 56-0 at the half.

50-10 and 3 of McKinley points came directly from a turnover. The TD was a breakway run by the state offense player of the year who had rushed for more than 2,000 yards that season and was bottled up the rest of the game.

Edited by bodyguard, 10 September 2010 - 01:47 PM.

[Canes0177]

50-10 and 3 of McKinley points came directly from a turnover. The TD was a breakway run by the state offense player of the year who had rushed for more than 2,000 yards that season and was bottled up the rest of the game.

That was a 4-loss McKinley team that was shutout, 22-0, by Austintown-Fitch.

The thing that hurts Colerain is schedule strength. Same thing that hurts 2003 North Shore in these debates. Their competition was garbage.

[lamarfan]

That was a 4-loss McKinley team that was shutout, 22-0, by Austintown-Fitch.

The thing that hurts Colerain is schedule strength. Same thing that hurts 2003 North Shore in these debates. Their competition was garbage.

I think a lower schedule strength can sometimes give an advantage with less injury's. All I know is at the end of the year they played and beat good ones no problem. I dont care what anybody thinks of the schedule im judging them on the woopen they gave the Woodlands.

[steeler 01]

That was a 4-loss McKinley team that was shutout, 22-0, by Austintown-Fitch.

The thing that hurts Colerain is schedule strength. Same thing that hurts 2003 North Shore in these debates. Their competition was garbage.

Exactly

[GMCGURU000]

Anything to discredit a team not from Florida, once again.

What else is new?

[Canes0177]

Anything to discredit a team not from Florida, once again.

What else is new?

I deal in facts and then you whine. That's how this works.

[bodyguard]

That was a 4-loss McKinley team that was shutout, 22-0, by Austintown-Fitch.

The thing that hurts Colerain is schedule strength. Same thing that hurts 2003 North Shore in these debates. Their competition was garbage.

Good point. But McKinley had won 9 straight going into the title game, so obviously they were much better than earlier in the season. Also, you are counting the loss to Colerain, so they really lost three others and early in the season, the other two being by 7 and 8 points. McKinley beat Glenville in the playoffs. Glenville beat Fitch, making it pretty clear McKinley was a much different team.

Also remember Colerain played in the toughest region in the state, so their playoff opponents before the championship were as good or better than McKinley as well. Colerain ouscored their five Ohio D-I playoff opponents 187-26 (37.4-5.2)

Edited by bodyguard, 10 September 2010 - 05:09 PM.

[Super B]

No Texas Herbie this upcoming season. Apparently everyone in Texas turned them down. Must be from years of them bringing in inferior OOS opponents to play Texas powerhouses.

[da hawaiian]

In fairness, and in hindsight. The Cocoa Skyline game was pretty entertaining. Although I barely caught more than 2 series, I thought Cocoa aquitted themselves very nicely. Since we can all agree this was probably the best Skyline team ever, how much more impressive was that display by Cocoa?

I'm one for more of these Texas/Florida matchups. Please Coach lineweaver, can we go east rather than NW?

[Super B]

In fairness, and in hindsight. The Cocoa Skyline game was pretty entertaining. Although I barely caught more than 2 series, I thought Cocoa aquitted themselves very nicely. Since we can all agree this was probably the best Skyline team ever, how much more impressive was that display by Cocoa?

I'm one for more of these Texas/Florida matchups. Please Coach lineweaver, can we go east rather than NW?

I was speaking in more general terms. I know a few of the OOS matchups were good. But after Trinity-Shiloh in 2010 and DeSoto-Douglass last season, that's just crazy. I think Herbie got Douglass to come as a last option.

[DownSouth]

Both Herbies have been awful lately.

It's either bad teams against Texas' best, as has been mentioned, or it's a good OOS team against some piece of garbage from Ohio (since their best teams play in the other event that weekend), and then, when you finally get 2 good teams like when Dwyer played Glenville - we all get to witness a blatant screw job over the non Ohio team.

If the Herbie is going to keep going, I think it needs to be retooled.

What Herbsreit should do is pick a different location every year, and have that location host 3 games. Hold it in Texas one year and get Skyline, SLC, and Trinity.

Ohio, CA, South Carolina, etc.

3 bets local teams or teams native to the host state, and have 3 OOS teams ready to go before even knowing the host state opponent. - Should keep it interesting, and it'll show off a lot more teams; the Ohio teams Herby started off with wanting to show case...ain't cutting it (and the Texas set usually lacks volume of quality games).

[Super B]

It's been pretty evident from the start that Herbie has had difficulty getting teams to come play. They typically have half the pieces in place. So like DS mentioned you have one excellent team vs. a piece of crap. Also, they seem to mis match teams. They'll put Texas team A vs. OOS team B and Texas team B vs. OOS team A, when the better matchups are the A's playing each other and the B's playing each other. I really don't know what they were thinking sometimes.