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[jcisco loboe'77]

R there any new 2011 rules being entered? ?

[TXMike]

R there any new 2011 rules being entered? ?

The Rules Committee meets in mid-Feb They will put out a press release at the end of it with the major changes. But then they have to go to the Playing Rules Oversight Panel for final approval. Those that make it through will be published in teh rulebook which we should see by early Jun

[jcisco loboe'77]

Thanks TXMike..I know in the Pros...the overtime/sudden death ruling has been 'updated!'

[TXMike]

Thanks TXMike..I know in the Pros...the overtime/sudden death ruling has been 'updated!'

The rulebooks have been published. This is the probably the greatest number of changes we have seen in over 10 years. Many of them will not be pleasing to the defenses.

A few of them:
Unsportsmanlike conduct that happens while the ball is live is now penalized as a live ball foul. Ex: Runner is in the open clearly going to score a TD. He starts goose stepping at the 5 yard line. The TD will not count and the 15 yards will be assessed from the 5.

QB can intentionally ground the ball just by throwing it near a receiver even if the receiver is in no position to catch the pass.

Defense cannot go low against anyone except the ball carrier after the ball has gone 5 yards downfield.

Even if the passer throws an illegal forward pass, if he is roughed it is roughing the passer

When trying to block a FG or extra point kick, 3 or more defenders cannot "gang up" on one blocker

All offensive linemen are permitted to lock legs

[monter]

The rulebooks have been published. This is the probably the greatest number of changes we have seen in over 10 years. Many of them will not be pleasing to the defenses.

A few of them:
Unsportsmanlike conduct that happens while the ball is live is now penalized as a live ball foul. Ex: Runner is in the open clearly going to score a TD. He starts goose stepping at the 5 yard line. The TD will not count and the 15 yards will be assessed from the 5.

QB can intentionally ground the ball just by throwing it near a receiver even if the receiver is in no position to catch the pass.

Defense cannot go low against anyone except the ball carrier after the ball has gone 5 yards downfield.

Even if the passer throws an illegal forward pass, if he is roughed it is roughing the passer

When trying to block a FG or extra point kick, 3 or more defenders cannot "gang up" on one blocker

All offensive linemen are permitted to lock legs

What are the implications to these? I'm not quite sure I understand the 3rd one. The last one seems interesting. Will be interesting to see what formations that coaches come up with.

[TXMike]

What are the implications to these? I'm not quite sure I understand the 3rd one. The last one seems interesting. Will be interesting to see what formations that coaches come up with.

Re 3d one: Defenders will not be able to take out lead blockers by going low on them after the ball has advanced 5 yards.

[monter]

Re 3d one: Defenders will not be able to take out lead blockers by going low on them after the ball has advanced 5 yards.

So, as an example, a pass is completed to a receiver (say, a WR screen). If the guy has "lead blockers" out in front of him, the defender can't go low to take out the lead blocker once the receiver has gone 5 yards upfield?

Or if a qb pitches wide, and the RB has a lead blocker out front, a defender can't go low once the back is 5 yds upfield?

Is that right?

What's the penalty for this? Is it a 5 yard, automatic 1st down type of thing? Or is it a 15 yd spot foul and a 1st down, or what?

[TXMike]

So, as an example, a pass is completed to a receiver (say, a WR screen). If the guy has "lead blockers" out in front of him, the defender can't go low to take out the lead blocker once the receiver has gone 5 yards upfield?

Or if a qb pitches wide, and the RB has a lead blocker out front, a defender can't go low once the back is 5 yds upfield?

Is that right?

What's the penalty for this? Is it a 5 yard, automatic 1st down type of thing? Or is it a 15 yd spot foul and a 1st down, or what?

Correct on both. It will be a 15 yard personal foul and since it is on the defense in your examples, enforcement would be from the end of the run

[monter]

Correct on both. It will be a 15 yard personal foul and since it is on the defense in your examples, enforcement would be from the end of the run

So it can happen offensively too??

But if it happens defensively, and the play goes for a touchdown, is it enforced on the kickoff?

[TXMike]

So it can happen offensively too??

But if it happens defensively, and the play goes for a touchdown, is it enforced on the kickoff?

There can be blocking below the waist fouls called against either team. The difference is that each team has different restrictions as to when and where they can block below teh waist. If the offense violates their restrictions it is a personal foul enforced just like clipping.

Personal fouls DO carry over so could be enforced on KO or try.

[monter]

If the offense violates their restrictions it is a personal foul enforced just like clipping.

I'd forgotten about this. Thanks. Been too long with no football.

[jcisco loboe'77]

The rulebooks have been published.
Unsportsmanlike conduct that happens while the ball is live is now penalized as a live ball foul. Ex: Runner is in the open clearly going to score a TD. He starts goose stepping at the 5 yard line. The TD will not count and the 15 yards will be assessed from the 5.

.........."WOW"!!

[WestlakeTech]

The rulebooks have been published. This is the probably the greatest number of changes we have seen in over 10 years. Many of them will not be pleasing to the defenses.

A few of them:
Unsportsmanlike conduct that happens while the ball is live is now penalized as a live ball foul. Ex: Runner is in the open clearly going to score a TD. He starts goose stepping at the 5 yard line. The TD will not count and the 15 yards will be assessed from the 5.

QB can intentionally ground the ball just by throwing it near a receiver even if the receiver is in no position to catch the pass.

Defense cannot go low against anyone except the ball carrier after the ball has gone 5 yards downfield.

Even if the passer throws an illegal forward pass, if he is roughed it is roughing the passer

When trying to block a FG or extra point kick, 3 or more defenders cannot "gang up" on one blocker

All offensive linemen are permitted to lock legs

1st one is a rule that I agree with my dad on. They're high school kids. Let 'em celebrate a little bit. I get that the players need to learn sportsmanship (something that's dying in college and the pros), but still... let 'em have some fun and celebrate scores.

2nd one I thought was already a rule.

3rd one I suppose makes sense for player safety.

4th I thought was already a rule.

[TXMike]

1st one is a rule that I agree with my dad on. They're high school kids. Let 'em celebrate a little bit. I get that the players need to learn sportsmanship (something that's dying in college and the pros), but still... let 'em have some fun and celebrate scores.

2nd one I thought was already a rule.

3rd one I suppose makes sense for player safety.

4th I thought was already a rule.

We were once HS kids and scored TD's. I don't recall the need to celebrate so I could "have a little fun".

2d one was (and still is) the rule in NFL but not in our game

3d That is the reason for the change (safety)

4th Nope Not the rule until now. You just do not see it very often so will likely not see it now either

[jcisco loboe'77]

Thanks guys 4 the imputs!! !!