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[noonereal]

1 more thing, you know who was right behind bergen at number 35 in the nation. ST X with 5 losses!!! 5 losses and your in the top 35???? how do you justify that?

you have got to be kidding???????

How would Pearland have done against X's competition?


We both know they would have been rocked.


sorry bull, this is your worst post ever

X plays the toughest schedule in the country year after year.

How many NFL teams go undefeated?

That is the beauty of Ned's numbers. It gives credit where credit is do. Your simpleton approach does not distinguish between a regular season schedule like St X and Trinity.
There are hundreds of teams in the uS that could have gone undefeated if they played the same in season schedule as Trinity.
There may very well have been no team in the US that could have run the table against X's schedule.

[noonereal]

they have top 100 credentials. moreso than teams from massachusetts or kansas. they play in the largest class in the top 5 states for football in the country. maybe top 7 at worst. they beat a team that was in everybody's top 25. and lost 2 games, 1 to the MNC. who else in the top 100 can say that with 2 losses?

ok, so then why does EVERY ranking person/system disagree with you?

if you notice i constantly support my claims and you just go with your personal opinion

you'd be dead in court

don't ever go into law

[nolebull813]

ok, so then why does EVERY ranking person/system disagree with you?

if you notice i constantly support my claims and you just go with your personal opinion

you'd be dead in court

don't ever go into law

can you justify the ranking in your own opinion. not some other peoples rankings? name some top teams from non football states that are in the top 100 and tell me why they are deserving. you cant. you just run to the websites and cry. "calpreps said so, rivals said it. you just like to bash the teams on STA' schedule and bulid up the teams on boscos. i thought you were unbiased and objective??

[nolebull813]

you have got to be kidding???????

How would Pearland have done against X's competition?


We both know they would have been rocked.


sorry bull, this is your worst post ever

X plays the toughest schedule in the country year after year.

How many NFL teams go undefeated?

That is the beauty of Ned's numbers. It gives credit where credit is do. Your simpleton approach does not distinguish between a regular season schedule like St X and Trinity.
There are hundreds of teams in the uS that could have gone undefeated if they played the same in season schedule as Trinity.
There may very well have been no team in the US that could have run the table against X's schedule.

so a team that loses to 5 teams that are better than them, and win against 7 teams that are worser than them merits a top 35 national ranking? i didnt say team A or team B would go undefeated, even though it sounded like you got naturally defensive. i didnt say X's schedule wasnt one of the toughest, i said if you lose 5 games, then you are a notch below your peers who beat you. did every team that they lost to finish in the top 35? i didnt check, but even so, i cant believe any team with 5 losses that high

[jbell73986]

you have got to be kidding???????

How would Pearland have done against X's competition?


We both know they would have been rocked.
Here you go again quoting stuff you know nothing about. St X's 9 regular season opponents had 24 losses among themselves. Hardly a record indicative of a tough outing. I've already provided stats b/w tx and Ohio when played (4 games b/w the states). What is interesting is regardless of how good or bad the tx team was we were always one of the toughest opponents, statistically, the Ohio team played. That was not true however in looking at the Ohio teams compared to Tx teams.

sorry bull, this is your worst post ever

X plays the toughest schedule in the country year after year.

How many NFL teams go undefeated?

That is the beauty of Ned's numbers. It gives credit where credit is do. Your simpleton approach does not distinguish between a regular season schedule like St X and Trinity.
There are hundreds of teams in the uS that could have gone undefeated if they played the same in season schedule as Trinity.
There may very well have been no team in the US that could have run the table against X's schedule.

[noonereal]

so a team that loses to 5 teams that are better than them, and win against 7 teams that are worser than them merits a top 35 national ranking? i didnt say team A or team B would go undefeated, even though it sounded like you got naturally defensive. i didnt say X's schedule wasnt one of the toughest, i said if you lose 5 games, then you are a notch below your peers who beat you. did every team that they lost to finish in the top 35? i didnt check, but even so, i cant believe any team with 5 losses that high

X beat two team ranked ahead of them but were punished in the ranking for losing to three teams ranked below them

that sounds right doesn't it?

also that tells us is that there was allot of parity at the level they played, virtually all top 100 schools.

That is what we should expect. X stands out because no one else in the country plays that kind of schedule. NO ONE.

btw, the greater catholic south is the toughs league in the country, bosco's league (before this year) is the second toughest historically.

[noonereal]

with all respect jbell you superficial analytical abilities are embarrassing you

[jbell73986]

X beat two team ranked ahead of them but were punished in the ranking for losing to three teams ranked below them

that sounds right doesn't it?

also that tells us is that there was allot of parity at the level they played, virtually all top 100 schools.

That is what we should expect. X stands out because no one else in the country plays that kind of schedule. NO ONE.

btw, the greater catholic south is the toughs league in the country, bosco's league (before this year) is the second toughest historically.

You quote that one source but still won't and can't provide an answer why the same Calpreps ranking ranked a Texas 3A state champion and runner up 6th and 7th in Texas. I know you don't know anything about Tx FB but that is laughable. If they can't reasonably rank within a state, what reasonable assurance do we have that they have a national poll correct? NONE!!

[noonereal]

You quote that one source but still won't and can't provide an answer why the same Calpreps ranking ranked a Texas 3A state champion and runner up 6th and 7th in Texas. I know you don't know anything about Tx FB but that is laughable. If they can't reasonably rank within a state, what reasonable assurance do we have that they have a national poll correct? NONE!!

because of their performance on the field

that is why i like cal

it ranks folks on what they have accomplished not on how they should do because they have a big school and 10 d1 players.

that's how Canes wants it done. The more D1 players the higher your ranking despite a lack of disciple and preparedness.


If these teams did not perform better on the field than did the others they would not be ranked as they were

good grief, do numbers confuse you so?

[jbell73986]

with all respect jbell you superficial analytical abilities are embarrassing you

Will you cut the crap and provide a logical response. Every time you don't have an answer you resort to an idiotic statement. So far you are not impressing me with your ability to argue a point.

[lamarfan]

you have got to be kidding???????

How would Pearland have done against X's competition?


We both know they would have been rocked.


sorry bull, this is your worst post ever

X plays the toughest schedule in the country year after year.

How many NFL teams go undefeated?

That is the beauty of Ned's numbers. It gives credit where credit is do. Your simpleton approach does not distinguish between a regular season schedule like St X and Trinity.
There are hundreds of teams in the uS that could have gone undefeated if they played the same in season schedule as Trinity.
There may very well have been no team in the US that could have run the table against X's schedule.

Get real Pearland would have been a easy favorite against all OF X'S competition after they knocked off 2 legit top 5 national teams in Trinity and Katy. Pearland has an old outstanding coach from Lamarque so I dont think you have heard the last of them.

[lamarfan]

You quote that one source but still won't and can't provide an answer why the same Calpreps ranking ranked a Texas 3A state champion and runner up 6th and 7th in Texas. I know you don't know anything about Tx FB but that is laughable. If they can't reasonably rank within a state, what reasonable assurance do we have that they have a national poll correct? NONE!!

Maybe. But what is funny is I like Carthages chances against most other states state champions. They were a very solid team.

[noonereal]

Maybe. But what is funny is I like Carthages chances against most other states state champions. They were a very solid team.

that is more than funny that is hysterical!

I can just see them getting smacked around by st eds or dls

lol

(truth is I think they would make it a very competitive game)

[noonereal]

Get real Pearland would have been a easy favorite against all OF X'S competition after they knocked off 2 legit top 5 national teams in Trinity and Katy. Pearland has an old outstanding coach from Lamarque so I dont think you have heard the last of them.

easy favorite???? they why were they not ranked by man nor machine until December

another post with no though behind it

[jbell73986]

because of their performance on the field

that is why i like cal

it ranks folks on what they have accomplished not on how they should do because they have a big school and 10 d1 players.

that's how Canes wants it done. The more D1 players the higher your ranking despite a lack of disciple and preparedness.


If these teams did not perform better on the field than did the others they would not be ranked as they were

good grief, do numbers confuse you so?

Here's the answer your academic ineptness can't answer: Calpreps rankings are based on a model that compares teams on statistical performance only. It is not a good predictor on how well a team would do against other teams head-to-head. This is why a Tx 3A can be ranked ahead of a far superior 5A. (Their model doesn't factor a size of a school, which for Tx teams is significant) The other fallacy they make is that all teams start off with a score of 0. Which means they believe that a 5-5 team in NJ is the same as a 5-5 team in Fla or Tx. Hence, the model assumes the statistically better team must win and the margin of victory should be the same. A logical thinker knows this is not true on both accounts. There is not parity within a state much less the country. So, this skews the data as well. As a result, overall it's not a source that should be relied on solely to prove a point.

You should really know the ins and outs of the model you keep thumping before spouting off garbage.

[noonereal]

Here's the answer your academic ineptness can't

lol, good one! (that's what I like, I got your attention!)

answer: Calpreps rankings are based on a model that compares teams on statistical performance only.

you mean you want to give a team points for having a D1 running back i spite of he fact that the numbers prove he can't score? Like maybe his line is terrible. All this is in the numbers because they score or they don't and the model knows how good the team scored against was which as we all know makes a big difference. Hence St X with loses and still a top 100 team. It still amazes me how little people understand numbers.

It is not a good predictor on how well a team would do against other teams head-to-head.

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What is a better predictor? You eye balling the team?

This is why a Tx 3A can be ranked ahead of a far superior 5A. (Their model doesn't factor a size of a school, which for Tx teams is significant

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did you ever hear of St Anthony's? It's the best high school in the country for bb. It is one of the smallest schools in the state (NJ).
Enrollment does not make a team good. How you preform does. How you perform is in the numbers.

The other fallacy they make is that all teams start off with a score of 0. Which means they believe that a 5-5 team in NJ is the same as a 5-5 team in Fla or Tx. Hence, the model assumes the statistically better team must win and the margin of victory should be the same. A logical thinker knows this is not true on both accounts. There is not parity within a state much less the country. So, this skews the data as well. As a result, overall it's not a source that should be relied on solely to prove a point.

solely relied on, absolutely not however it is the single best natural evaluator we have

I have referenced may polls, all support my contention (the only poll I ignore is Rivals, it's garbage)

You should really know the ins and outs of the model you keep thumping before spouting off garbage.

obviously I do, don't I? lol, you lose again

I'm killin' ya today!

Edited by noonereal, 31 March 2011 - 08:41 PM.

[jbell73986]

lol, good one! (that's what I like, I got your attention!)




you mean you want to give a team points for having a D1 running back i spite of he fact that the numbers prove he can't score? Like maybe his line is terrible. All this is in the numbers because they score or they don't and the model knows how good the team scored against was which as we all know makes a big difference. Hence St X with loses and still a top 100 team. It still amazes me how little people understand numbers.



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What is a better predictor? You eye balling the team?

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did you ever hear of St Anthony's? It's the best high school in the country for bb. It is one of the smallest schools in the state (NJ).
Enrollment does not make a team good. How you preform does. How you perform is in the numbers.



solely relied on, absolutely not however it is the single best natural evaluator we have

I have referenced may polls, all support my contention (the only poll I ignore is Rivals, it's garbage)



obviously I do, don't I? lol, you lose again

I'm killin' ya today!

lol. You're not killing anything. You don't understand the model and how it works. Try answering the questions. I didn't state anything about D1 athletes now did I? I said that the model assumes all teams with the same winning percentage are the same..that is a fallacy. It is a fallacy to rank Carthage 6th when they lost to a 4A team 41-20 and that same 4A team lost to unranked 5A Lufkin 70-20 in a matter of 2 weeks. Class size in BB is not as relevant b/c the game only requires 5 players. FB requires a lot more players and depth.(easier to assemble 5 good players than 22-33 players!!) That is easy to interpret.

NOR just give up. There is not anyone that believes what you say. As of yet you have not intelligently explained WHY the model should be the sole source.

Edited by jbell73986, 31 March 2011 - 08:53 PM.

[noonereal]

lol. You're not killing anything. You don't understand the model and how it works. Try answering the questions. I didn't state anything about D1 athletes now did I? I said that the model assumes all teams with the same winning percentage are the same..that is a fallacy. It is a fallacy to rank Carthage 6th when they lost to a 4A team 41-20 and that same 4A team lost to unranked 5A Lufkin 70-20 in a matter of 2 weeks. Class size in BB is not as relevant b/c the game only requires 5 players. FB requires a lot more players and depth.(easier to assemble 5 good players than 22-33 players!!) That is easy to interpret.

NOR just give up. There is not anyone that believes what you say. As of yet you have not intelligently explained WHY the model should be the sole source.

lol, learn to read

again i say it is not the sole source

however your insistence that all big school are better than all small schools is ridiculous

bosco only has 1000 students, how can they beat the teams hey have?

but they did

[jbell73986]

lol, learn to read

again i say it is not the sole source

however your insistence that all big school are better than all small schools is ridiculous

bosco only has 1000 students, how can they beat the teams hey have?

but they did

Yes please read. I never said ALL big schools are better than smaller schools. Unlike you I don't make generalizations. But Calpreps never takes school size into consideration when it can be very relevant. By my natural eyes I can draw that distinction within classifications.

What is the geographical area Bosco draws their athletes from? all of NJ and surrounding states. So their numbers are based on quality and not quantity. They can pick and chose who makes up their 1000 population, an advantage public schools don't have.

Edited by jbell73986, 31 March 2011 - 09:12 PM.

[noonereal]

What is the geographical area Bosco draws their athletes from? all of NJ and surrounding states. So their numbers are based on quality and not quantity. They can pick and chose who makes up their 1000 population, an advantage public schools don't have.

no not at all

they draw from a 15 mile radius of the school

btw bc and sjr draw from the same pool

that said the population within this is over one million and you are making my point

of course the best players in this area skip the local pubs to play at these three schools instead and thjat is why they have been NATIONAL powers for decades (even if you WERE unaware)